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Club Arnage => General Discussion => Topic started by: Barry on May 05, 2015, 04:00:07 pm



Title: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Barry on May 05, 2015, 04:00:07 pm
We have a couple of days in Normandy this year, and were planning to visit the D-Day beaches among other things.
We are based in Bayeux and have pencilled in the following:

Pegasus Bridge museum
Sword, Gold, Juno and Omaha beaches
Bayeux Tapestry
D-Day museum at Bayeux.

Anything we have forgotten?
Any recommendations especially for which military cemeteries, battery sites, museums etc should be on the list?
Also if we fancy a 'normal' afternoon on the beach, which would be best?


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Jason on May 05, 2015, 05:38:21 pm
The Observation tower at Ouiistram (sorry for bad spelling) If you're going Pegasus it's just up the road, also, go have a look at the actual landing site by Cafe Gondree

Also, as you're in Normandy, why not try a Calvados tour?


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: cja on May 05, 2015, 06:04:32 pm
Pegasus Bridge (& Café Gondree) and the obsv tower are 'musts' - as is the Mulberry Harbour at Arromanches.

Loads to see - maybe too much to appreciate in one go??  Difficult one


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Barry on May 05, 2015, 06:06:15 pm


Loads to see - maybe too much to appreciate in one go??  Difficult one

Agreed, going to make a list and then see what is practicable in the time.


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: mgmark on May 05, 2015, 06:16:37 pm
You'll probably find that time is a limitation to do everything and there will be plenty of smaller sites and memorials which you will see along the route.  

As well as the Pegasus memorial, the Juno Centre and the Arromanches Museum are both worth it as part of the beaches trip.  The former has more kit to look at and an impressively big sweep of beach, the latter a good view over the Mulberry harbours; if I was limited to one, I'd focus on the first of those.  

Bayeux has a sizeable Commonwealth War Graves cemetery which is well worth a visit, as is the American Cemetery near Omaha beach, and the German cemetery between Bayeux and Issigny to complete the picture.  They are all poignant, humbing and memorable in different ways.  

One place which will depend entirely on what route you're taking is, if your routing works, the memorial to the Bruneval raid (Operation Biting) which is on the coast near Etratat - not D-Day, but a fascinating story and place.  

MG Mark  


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: dukla on May 05, 2015, 10:42:28 pm
You need a couple of weeks ...!

Spent about 5 hours at Pegasus Bridge & museum on Saturday just gone, personally think it is great. Even better as had just read the book by Stephen E. Ambrose. Museum does have a high personal content (plenty of family donations) which may not be your cuppa though.

Also did Maisie battery (http://www.maisybattery.com/) between Omaha & Utah, trumps Pointe du Hoc in a big way in terms of relevance. Stuff is just creeping out of secret files after 70 years and seems the Rangers were (may have been/allegedly) told to go for Maisie at short notice before D-Day but ignored the order. And in any event their target was not Pointe du Hoc, it was actually another (third) battery whose name escapes me.

The American Cemetery at Omaha has a good museum - paid a return visit last Friday.

If you are going to spend time at Arromanches the PlayStore App - Arromanches 1944 - is definitely worth playing with in advance. and is a fair substitute (IMHO) for the museum there. Problem with the museums is they close at 18:00 and the App is 24/7. We navigated down to the beach at Asnelles (small signpost off D514) which is one of the App points of view. Almost definitely worth timing any visit to Arromanches to be at low tide so you can see more of the breakwater remnants.

Remember enjoyed the Canadian Museum (http://www.junobeach.org/) on Juno Beach on a previous visit - didn't make it this time though.

Personally was underwhelmed by both the Tapestry and Memorial Museum in Bayeux on a previous visit so skipped Bayeux completely last week.

I do make a pilgrimage to St Mere Eglise every time I have a chance (and again last Friday). Probably mainly because of the scenes in The Longest Day. But in fact is a relatively long way from anything else and is becoming pretty much a tourist trap so unless you have loads of time is missable.

There are tons of other museums around - Tank Museum, Reporters Museum etc - depends on your poison! Let alone various places for degustation of Cidre, Calvados et al.



Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Barry on May 05, 2015, 11:28:00 pm
Love tanks, where is that?

Jo wants to see the Tapestry, who am I to argue  ;D


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: dukla on May 06, 2015, 02:06:31 am
Saw it from the N13 on way to St Mere Eglise. Didn't go in but seems like fun, website here. (http://normandy-tank-museum.fr)


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Snoring Rhino on May 06, 2015, 02:31:29 pm
Saw it from the N13 on way to St Mere Eglise. Didn't go in but seems like fun, website here. (http://normandy-tank-museum.fr)
We are also there before and after LM, the tank museum looks a good day out for the boys, maybe drop the girls at the Tapestry. We did Pegasus last year, very poignant, very worthwhile. I thought the actual beaches were very sanitised now, inevitably, the American Cemetary is huge and very moving.


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Perdu on May 06, 2015, 03:47:03 pm
Pegasus may take up most of one day, especially if you get the chance to chat with Mme at the Café

My friend Bill and I were chatting with her for a couple of hours when we visited, 'specially since she discovered we were Brummies and she'd married into Brummy Nobility after the war

Wonderful lady with so much to tell


The Arromanches museum killed about three hours for me too, next day

So to recap, I think you will need a good four days to absorb most of the feel for that momentous event in Normandy

You will enjoy (enjoy? Not sure enjoy is right, it was a dreadful war after all) the visit though and never forget it


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Canada Phil on May 07, 2015, 04:30:06 am
The Juno Centre is more about the present Canada and the future. Geared towards Children and education.
I would suggest Bernières-sur-Mer. Walk the beach and look towards the town. I bet you will recognise the house where Canadian regiments landed...
The Queen's Own Rifles landed on "Nan" sector of Juno Beach and with the support of tanks of the Fort Garry Horse captured the strategic seaside resort town of Bernières-sur-Mer. The battalion fought its way to its D-Day objective - the village of Anisy 13.5 km (8.4 mi) inland, the only Regiment to reach its assigned objective that day.

Phil


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Doris on May 10, 2015, 09:13:16 am

Jo wants to see the Tapestry, who am I to argue  ;D


There's an exact replica in Reading Town Hall.  Just saying...

Dx


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Stu on May 13, 2015, 01:58:21 pm
We splashed on a guided tour this year as knowing our luck, we'd be standing on the wrong beach  ??? Leaving Friday 5th with a Bletchley Park visit planned on-route.

And I've started preparations already which is a first for me.  :angel: :angel: Its usually the morning I'm leaving.


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Canada Phil on May 14, 2015, 03:36:23 am
We splashed on a guided tour this year as knowing our luck, we'd be standing on the wrong beach  ??? Leaving Friday 5th with a Bletchley Park visit planned on-route.

And I've started preparations already which is a first for me.  :angel: :angel: Its usually the morning I'm leaving.
Hi Stu,
          Atleast you have a passport this year  ;D See you in a field in France.
Phil


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2015, 08:51:09 pm

Hi Stu,
          Atleast you have a passport this year  ;D See you in a field in France.
Phil


Can't wait Phil, can't wait.  :) 8)


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Andy Zarse on May 26, 2015, 05:29:57 pm
Non D-Day related, but the ladies like a nice seafood lunch in Honfleur (good) and a walk around the shops in trendy Deauville (bad, so stay away if you value your bank balance!)


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: aricus654 on June 15, 2015, 04:17:00 pm

Thanks for all the info.

Tristan and I visited Pegasus (again) and the Mulberry Harbour at Arromanches (new).  The exhibition at Arromanches with its 9 screens was very impressively high quality, and recommended (it was also blowinga gale on Wednesday and we were surprised that small children weren't swept off their feet)

Aricus + Tristan


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: lynxd67 on June 16, 2015, 08:37:37 am
Far too late for you, but just a thought for the future really. A trip to the British cemetery at Hermanville is a humbling experience. About 1100 graves, all the usual tombstone shape, except for three in the form of the cross. French beret verts who died alongside British comrades and were buried with them. A place for reflection.


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Lawnmower Man on June 16, 2015, 11:37:43 am
We splashed on a guided tour this year as knowing our luck, we'd be standing on the wrong beach  ??? Leaving Friday 5th with a Bletchley Park visit planned on-route.

And I've started preparations already which is a first for me.  :angel: :angel: Its usually the morning I'm leaving.

Did you get to Bletchley Park?  It's a must see IMNSHO. 


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Stu on June 17, 2015, 11:21:44 am
We splashed on a guided tour this year as knowing our luck, we'd be standing on the wrong beach  ??? Leaving Friday 5th with a Bletchley Park visit planned on-route.

And I've started preparations already which is a first for me.  :angel: :angel: Its usually the morning I'm leaving.

Did you get to Bletchley Park?  It's a must see IMNSHO. 

We did Tom and thoroughly enjoyed it. A bit steep to get in at £16.75 but the museum was really good with a demonstration of a working bombe (reconstructed). They're busy with a new Alan Turing exhibition which will be open next year so it may be better to wait.


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Lawnmower Man on June 17, 2015, 12:55:51 pm
We splashed on a guided tour this year as knowing our luck, we'd be standing on the wrong beach  ??? Leaving Friday 5th with a Bletchley Park visit planned on-route.

And I've started preparations already which is a first for me.  :angel: :angel: Its usually the morning I'm leaving.

Did you get to Bletchley Park?  It's a must see IMNSHO. 

We did Tom and thoroughly enjoyed it. A bit steep to get in at £16.75 but the museum was really good with a demonstration of a working bombe (reconstructed). They're busy with a new Alan Turing exhibition which will be open next year so it may be better to wait.

Yes it is a bit steep but the ticket last 12 Months. 


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Barry on June 22, 2015, 06:02:51 pm
Far too late for you, but just a thought for the future really. A trip to the British cemetery at Hermanville is a humbling experience. About 1100 graves, all the usual tombstone shape, except for three in the form of the cross. French beret verts who died alongside British comrades and were buried with them. A place for reflection.

We did go there, more by mistake than planning, noticed the French graves, as you say a place for reflection, very peaceful, we were the only people there. Interesting contrast to the American cemetery at Colleville, which we visited the following day.

Thank you for your sacrifice.


Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Snoring Rhino on June 22, 2015, 11:08:49 pm
As I mentioned before, we combined a family holiday with LM this year. In the past, as the kids grew up, we had some great holidays in France so it was a good opportunity for us all (11 of us). We often used Eurocamp either in a tent or a mobile home, we always found the sites good, clean and with great facilities. So given  that Brads little ones are are 3 and 10 months and their cousins are 3 and 4 we needed a good family site, not far from a port and ideally on route to LM. So last October I reserved 3 mobile homes on this site
http://www.eurocamp.co.uk/campsites/normandy/nr011-chateau-lez-eaux/ataglance.html with ferries on the Portsmouth Cean route, out on the 6th and back on the 18th. This meant Brad and I could head out to LM on Thursday, have a nice quiet and relaxed race weekend, know that Caroline and the boys were sorted so we could return on Sunday. It worked well, the site was great , it was less than 2 hours from the port and about the same to the track.
Given the Euro football next year it may be worth looking at as they will have a pre allocation of ferry crossings at a better price, bookings will start in October.





Title: Re: Visiting Normandy.
Post by: Snoring Rhino on July 02, 2015, 11:17:01 pm
As I mentioned before, we combined a family holiday with LM this year. In the past, as the kids grew up, we had some great holidays in France so it was a good opportunity for us all (11 of us). We often used Eurocamp either in a tent or a mobile home, we always found the sites good, clean and with great facilities. So given  that Brads little ones are are 3 and 10 months and their cousins are 3 and 4 we needed a good family site, not far from a port and ideally on route to LM. So last October I reserved 3 mobile homes on this site
http://www.eurocamp.co.uk/campsites/normandy/nr011-chateau-lez-eaux/ataglance.html with ferries on the Portsmouth Cean route, out on the 6th and back on the 18th. This meant Brad and I could head out to LM on Thursday, have a nice quiet and relaxed race weekend, know that Caroline and the boys were sorted so we could return on Sunday. It worked well, the site was great , it was less than 2 hours from the port and about the same to the track.
Given the Euro football next year it may be worth looking at as they will have a pre allocation of ferry crossings at a better price, bookings will start in October.




On route back to the ferry we had a diversion to COURSEULLES-SUR-MER to see one of Lorna's Grandads DD Tanks (He was the Technical Director of Strauslers the company that designed and built the DD Tanks).

JUNO BEACH. At 0730 hours 6th June 1944, the 6th Canadian Armoured Regiment (First Hussars) in support of the 7 Canadian Infantry Brigade of the 3 Canadian Infantry Division, assaulted and overpowered enemy defences between Courseulles-sur-Mer and Bernieres-sur-Mer. This tank, recovered from the sea nearly 27 years after launching, is dedicated by the First Hussars, to the memory of all who participated in this operation”.