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« on: September 28, 2004, 10:51:37 am »

Just heard that P&O are discontinuing ferry services between Pompey and Le Havre. The only service out  will be to Bilbao but didn't say when effective from.
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2004, 11:20:06 am »

The pompey services to Cherbourg and Caen are also being closed according to the news this morning. Lets hope Brittany don't do the obvious move and jack up prices to silly levels, otherwise a lot of us will have to get used to doing the Calais run.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2004, 11:25:15 am »

Just found out that 2 P&O ships are being transfered to Brittany Ferries, so its possible that the Le Havre route might remain. But with no competion price will become an issue.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2004, 12:02:41 pm »

euro tunnel again in 2005 then  Shocked
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2004, 12:16:15 pm »

Just about to go get the truth.

I will post up what is known.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2004, 12:49:45 pm »

According to the Reuter website they are axeing all but one of their Western chanel routes to France.
Doesn't say which one will remain though.

Just watch Brittany increase their prices dramatically now. Sad Sad
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2004, 01:47:30 pm »

Brittany are allegedly going to run the Le Havre route.
They are not taking bookings for June for another couple of weeks though.

At least that's what the young lady at there reservations desk just told me when I phoned to make a booking as their website only allows bookings up to March 2005 at present.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2004, 02:10:00 pm »

We went on the 'Gipsy' run Transmanche ferries (Newhaven - Dieppe) last year - although a step back in time with facilities and decor I'd rather give them my £68 for a rtn. journey than £300 to P&O, Brittany or the Chunnel - and before anyone says I've crossed the channel over 80 times in the last 14 years with all the carriers.

Shame with P&O they used to be ok until the last 3 or 4 years when their prices just became a little over the top.  Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2004, 02:18:21 pm »

They are not taking bookings for June for another couple of weeks though.


With my cynical head on I would say they need this time to work out how much they can increase the price by Sad Sad
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2004, 02:26:03 pm »

BF Press Release :


Brittany Ferries plans increased service to France

Following today’s publication by P&O Ferries (P&O) of their future strategy and, in particular, the curtailment of their Western Channel services from Portsmouth to Le Havre and Cherbourg, Brittany Ferries confirms that it has signed a memorandum of understanding with P&O with the objective to assume, subject to the negotiation of definitive agreements and regulatory approval, the charters of the two cruise ferries – Pride of Le Havre and Pride of Portsmouth – and to offer an alternative service to Le Havre.

Additionally, Brittany Ferries may re-align capacity on some of its existing routes.  New timetables covering any re-alignment and the provisional plans for the Portsmouth - Le Havre route will be announced in due course.

David Longden, Managing Director, Brittany Ferries commented: “These are challenging times for the ferry industry with the Channel Tunnel, new seasonal services, increasing competition from low-cost airlines, and continuous price pressure, led in particular by the Dover-Calais route, resulting in downward pressure on rates.  The developments will enable us to provide our customers, both passenger and freight, with the reassurance of route choice and the highest level of service.”

Mr Longden continued: “This initiative by Brittany Ferries will also help to secure continuity and a significant number of jobs, both on-shore in Portsmouth and Le Havre, as well as on board the two ships involved.”
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2004, 02:27:04 pm »

P&O Press Release :
FERRIES: OUTCOME OF REVIEW

P&O announces today the conclusions of its fundamental business review of P&O Ferries. The review has been the most detailed and wide-ranging ever undertaken of the operation of the business. The outcome, which includes a number of proposals which are subject to employee consultation and other approvals, is expected to benefit the operating result by £55 million a year.
The central conclusion of the review is that there will be a fundamental change in both the product that is offered to customers and the cost base of the business. P&O Ferries proposes to reduce the number of ships it operates from 31 to 23 and to close four of its 13 routes. The proposals could result in a reduction of approximately 1,200 jobs and the transfer of a further 350 jobs.
Freight accounts for half of P&O Ferries’ net revenue and the market has been growing at 6% a year. A new freight product is to be introduced that will:
• be competitively priced;
• give customers rapid loading and short waiting times;
• be based on new key account management systems; and
• continue to give drivers excellent meals, amenities and service on board.

Tourist traffic, including on board spend, accounts for the other half of total net revenue. It continues to be of key importance to the overall business but the market has been adversely affected by fewer day trips and the expansion of the low cost airlines. Nevertheless, there is a continuing opportunity particularly in relation to short break and long stay travellers. Focusing on these segments of the market, P&O Ferries’ new tourist product will:
• offer clear and consistent pricing with an improved website;
• provide value for money;
• offer an enhanced on board experience;
• continue to give passengers a range of high quality refreshment options; and
• provide new and attractive on board purchasing opportunities.

Separately, major changes are proposed to the cost base of the business. The main ones are as
follows:

• the closure of all Western Channel routes except Portsmouth to Bilbao. The number of ships operated will be reduced from six to one. One of the surplus ships will be redeployed elsewhere, one will be redelivered to the owner and three will be chartered out, two to Brittany Ferries under the terms of a Memorandum of Understanding executed today and the other subject to ongoing discussions with third parties;

• on the Short Sea, six ships will be operated compared to seven at present but, through rescheduling, service frequency and capacity in peak periods will be unchanged;

• new, more flexible manning arrangements and changes in work practices are proposed.Safety and reliability remain paramount and the proposals have been agreed with theMaritime and Coastguard Agency; and

• significant savings in procurement and other areas have been identified. Possible outsourcing of fleet management is also under active consideration.

These proposals would reduce the cash operating costs of the business by over £100 million or 20%. After allowing for the anticipated loss of net revenue from the routes being closed, and a reduction in depreciation charges (as explained below), the benefit to the operating result is estimated to be £55 million a year. The cost of implementing the proposals would be approximately £60 million. Most of the savings are expected to be achieved by mid-2005 and the remainder by early 2006.
As previously announced, the review has also considered the carrying value of P&O Ferries’ assets. Goodwill of £108 million will be written off and it is expected that there will be write downs and impairment charges against other assets of £72 million. This will result in a reduction of £13 million in the annual depreciation and amortisation charge. Including the provision of £60 million for the cost of implementing the savings, the total exceptional charge arising from the review is expected to be approximately £240 million.
Commenting on the announcement, P&O Chief Executive Robert Woods said: “I am determined to see a major improvement in the profitability of P&O Ferries. What we are announcing today will enable us to have a simplified, customer focused product operated on fewer routes with fewer ships and a substantially lower, more flexible cost base.
“Whilst we greatly regret the possible job losses, we are convinced that what we are proposing is the best way forward for the long term prosperity of the business.”

1. P&O announced at the time of its Preliminary Results on 4 March 2004 that a wide-ranging business review was underway looking at the overall market and all aspects of the business.
2. Subject to employee consultation, the following fleet changes are proposed:

• Western Channel (six ships reduced to one; three out of four routes closed)
-Pride of Cherbourg to be laid up or chartered out until mid-2007 when its charter expires;
-Cherbourg Express to replace the Superstar Express on the Northern Corridor of the Irish Sea;
-Caen Express to be redelivered to its owners on expiry of the current charter in October 2004; and
-Pride of Portsmouth and Pride of Le Havre to be chartered out to Brittany Ferries with their crew and related shore staff, subject inter alia to contract and regulatory approval.

• Short Sea (eight ships, including one laid up, reduced to six; no route closures)
-Pride of Provence to be sold;
-Pride of Aquitaine to be redelivered at end of charter (end 2005); and
-European Seaway, currently laid up, to be returned to service.

• Irish Sea (seven ships reduced to six; four routes reduced to three)
-Superstar Express is being redelivered to the owners, having reached the end of charter and replaced by Cherbourg Express; and
-European Diplomat to replace Bore Mari on the North Sea.

• North Sea (no ship reductions or route closures)
-Bore Mari to be redelivered at end of charter (end 2004) and replaced by European Diplomat
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2004, 05:27:08 pm »

The only logical analysis means that we'll be relying on the largess of Brittany Ferries. Hope they don't hike the prices to absurdly high levels, or we'll be organising a trip to the EU Competion Commission in Strasbourg. Mind, it might make a pleasant day out...
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2004, 05:42:51 pm »

As some may know i do (did) work for p+o ferries (y) and they have indeed axed the le havre, caen and cherbourg routes. Brittany fisheries have not yet actually signed the charter agreement for the le havre ships and have a window of opportunity to untill Jan 1st 2005. Personally i can't see why they would want to. Ever since p+o chartered the po ports and le havre they have not made a profit. 10 years it's been since they did.
As for the price hike, i'm affraid that will be ineveterable. Beleive it or not the prices are at an altime low for 30 years (relative costs cosiered).
one thing is for certain, britany fisheries will now get a monopoly at portsmouth, something that is going to be investigated.
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2004, 05:50:03 pm »

we'll be organising a trip to the EU Competion Commission in Strasbourg. Mind, it might make a pleasant day out...

Should we take the ferry or fly?

Bad news for all the P&O people losing there jobs, as I understand it most of the losses will be from Dover.

Is there any chance of a new company (other than B+F) taking over the routes to be axed?

On the up side for us at least, by next year the new dual carrigeway/trollroad from Rouen to LM should be fully open, so the drive from calais should be quicker. (but maybe not in a commer I suspect)
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2004, 07:04:51 pm »

we'll be organising a trip to the EU Competion Commission in Strasbourg. Mind, it might make a pleasant day out...


On the up side for us at least, by next year the new dual carrigeway/trollroad from Rouen to LM should be fully open, so the drive from calais should be quicker. (but maybe not in a commer I suspect)

no driving down the N138 like your hair's on fire then, half the fun of going
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