Club Arnage

The usual request.

Need a camping permit Blue if possible.
Any got one spare drop me a line

 :)

  >:( :(I think this is the same bloke I bought a ticket off via CA a couple years ago, when we desperately needed an extra one. I was new to the forum and unaware of the rules.

He charged me double face value after conducting a blind auction! Apparently, he had over-ordered and was flogging off the spare tickets at twice cost price. Therefore him and his mates effectively camped for free. He is from Yorkshire. ???

I trust who ever sells him a ticket will observe the same courtesy.

If is not the same bloke then I apologise sincerely but I don't think I'm wrong. >:(  :o

Andy Z

If I remember correctly we detoured on the way to the ferry to bring you the permit. The other three were sold for face value, yours for a slight increase not DOUBLE.

Get your facts right before you accuse anybody.

Whilst I have the floor,

At no time did I conduct a blind auction.
If you remember correctly it was on a first come first served basis. I charged you extra for going out of our way to drop it off.
Also if I remember correctly I phoned you to get you out of bed, so you could collect the ticket.
You seemed most grateful at the time.

Double my zarse !!

Tim, I thought it was you!

Yes, sorry, you did do a detour. A whole 1/4 mile up the slip road onto the services at the bottom of the QEII bridge on the M25, which, if I am not very much mistaken, was on your route to Dover anyway. I seem to remember you were enjoying a handsome breakfast.

I did a slight detour too, driving from Sussex at 05.30 in the morning to meet you, so as not to inconvenience you. I had no objection to doing this, on the contrary, but let's get the story straight.

With regard to the cost of the tickets, you asked me to make a bid, which I did. You took exactly twice the face value for Karting Nord tickets. Fact. Whilst this hardly constitutes the rip off of the century, it is against the rules of this forum to charge over face value.

That's all I am saying on the matter, I have no wish to get into petty correspondence.

Andy Z

TMO - After reading Andy's revelation, I just tore-up the free Camping Bleu pass I was going to send you along with 2 pre-paid strippers and a can of whipped cream.

  :'(

Dave,

   I'm gutted mate

Urrrmm...maybe I've missed something here!!

Andy...if it was an auction surely you made an offer for the tickets (of your own free will and of, presumably, twice face value)????  Are you saying that, after agreeing a price, he TOOK more than that amount from your bank account??  Or are you saying that, having made a successful bid for more than face value, the seller should've then sold you the ticket for the face value after all??

Nobody forced you to pay for the ticket...but you DID and you DID get a REAL ticket and yiu DID get to Le Mans, didn't you??

Simon, I suspect you've missed nothing...sharp as ever eh?  ;)

...and I'd thought this one had died down...

...it will disappear completely if the fight restarts...

...in fact it might go anyway...watch this space...

Dodgy area this. We have all agreed not to profiteer on this site. Gets tempting when you see:

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Ouch...!  That is pricey.

It's at 122 GBP now... are they mad ? Apparently, yes...

Was it last year that some poor sods paid a premium price on anohter site and received some rather poor photocopies of the tickets? My recollection is that they had been sold in "good faith" and the guy gave them their money back.

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I remember that, well at least the guy was decent enough to hand the money back - or was he waiting to see if they didnt say anything?!  Either way - seems a tad daft to me

It's at 122 GBP now... are they mad ? Apparently, yes...

Its back down to £82 now.  Apparently someone entered the wrong amount!

...or found a cheaper one elsewhere

Well that wouldn't be a suprise! ;D

I think you guys have been talking about me.  Yes, I am auctioning my spare Tertre Rouge ticket.  And no, I am not going to apologise.  I paid over £730 before Christmas for camping tickets and General Entry passes and have paid (or lost - depends how you look at it) interest since.  Now that some of my colleagues have finally decided that they are not going to come to Le Mans after all I have spare tickets.  I have sold the four General Entry tickets at a loss, and I auctioned the Tertre Rouge tickets hoping to recover that loss and the interest.  As it happens I have discovered, to my surprise, that people are prepared to pay more for the ticket than I expected.  If they are happy to pay, I am happy, so where is the problem?  I invested my money a long time ago.  Get a life.  Oh, and the guy who withdrew his bid that you all speculated about despite the fact that you had no information, was let down by colleagues too, so decided not to go.

Bring this man a Soapbox!!
Sounds like he could preach all day about this.

Joe...

CA and its members are not seeking an apology, and probably aren't that interested in the credentials of your tickets, how you sell them, or even how much loss you might make on them.

All we ask is that you don't do it here.

Site policy I'm afraid - not personal.

Nice to see that people on this forum are concerned with over pricing, it is like watching out for one another.
Roll on 8/6/03.

Lost interest... on the € exchange rate... ;)

Maths (read "Math"  for our US cousins) not a strong point then?

Why do the yanks drop the "S" off Maths?

Despite the theme of this thread, one of its contributors has sent me an e-mail asking  "£90 each in the ball park?"
for my MB passes.

So, if I say yes (and don't tell me it's NOT tempting!!), presumably I'll be accused of profiteering.

I sense a trap!!!!!!

I spot a flaw in this £730 arguement.  I would hope that the person didn't pay £730 for a camping ticket and 4 general admission tickets in the first place!  So presumably that covers tickets that he already has or ferry tickets or something else.

My understanding was that this site has no objection to charging face value plus reasonable expenses, but does not want profiteering.

It seems to me that all fans should welcome the policy of this site as if everyone followed the same policy in the long run we all benefit, as prices remain reasonable.

The more tickets that end up in the hands of agents or touts the worse it is.

Not if we didn't find out...oh, you just told us!!  :)

Simon, you know and, I hope, understand the stance of CA and its members towards profiteering on this site

What you do outside of CA is your business and it isn't for this website or its members to cast judgement on transactions carried on elsewhere. Neither will we allow it to become a place for a flame war over anything - after all, it isn't what people come here to read.

If you complete a transaction, as has been said elsewhere, it was by common consent so the buyer cannot really have much to argue about.

The bottom line is that we do NOT want CA to be seen to be promoting profiteering.

.....so the agents and touts come to Club Arnage, knowing they can pick up tickets for a tad more than face value and then flog 'em on Ebay.....

....I spot a flaw....

Nothing in this world is perfect...

I'm sure that if systematic abuse of the forum became obvious, the site management would have no hesitation in closing off Sell or Swap, which would be to no-one's benefit.

I really have better things to do for a few hours than discuss a clear policy. Be back later...

i always prefered Thunderbirds  ;D

A suggestion...

....if you sell tickets at face value or just over on CA, how about a forum policy of displaying the username of the successful CA member at the end of your thread. This way, it will become obvious if the same person (the tout / agent / whatever) is buying up tickets to sell elsewhere.

Unless the same person has several usernames?... err... I'll get my coat... :-\

Smokie,  I never offered the tickets on Club Arnage, either at an inflated price or at face value.  So what are you guys banging on about?

Chrisgr31 wouldn't make a detective in Noddy Land.  Where is the flaw in the £730 argument? If you had read the auction page you will have read that I had spare tickets.  I bought 5 Tertre Rouge tickets at £45 each, and 10 General Entry tickets at £50 each, plus £6 special delivery.  All from Just Tickets.  I will do the maths for you because it appears you may struggle.  £731 !!!  What a surprise.

And until the ACO become a little less incompetent the like of Just Tickets will continue to do good business at their inflated prices too.

I don't think I said you had offered them here. But that's beside the point.

It seems that we are destined to go round in ever decreasing circles discussing the rights and wrongs of "profiteering", perceived or otherwise, when the discussion is purely academic as it is against the policy of this site.

So can we all kiss and make up, stop the personal stuff and leave this forum for those who just want to sell or buy tickets.

Thank you in advance!

Joe 90,

May I apply for the job of Detective Inspector Plod too?

I think it would have been more helpful had you explained your situation fully in the first instance. I too had not grasped your gist until you clarified the facts above, in that you hadn't paid £730 for one set of tickets.

I was not aware that there was much call for detectives in Noddy Land, luckily for me and Chrisgr. Although I suppose they need one for when Big Ears gets pissed up and nicks Noddys car, then goes round his Mums house and fucks the cat while she's out at the Bingo.

Ultimately, and I think as Smokie has made abundantly clear, rules is rules and no one makes you buy or sell on this forum, so if you don't like them...

I entirely agree with your last comment though. The ACO are crap.

I'm off to the pub!

Forgive me if I am wrong but I believe the rules are pretty clear.   ???

No profiteering from the sale or purchase of tickets from this forum.

Whatever anyone does outside this forum is fine, including anyone selling on auction sites, any other sites and people who receive private offers for tickets. I believe Smokie has made that clear.

I believe Joe90 never offered the tickets here, but other people on the forum pointed out what was happening elsewhere, which was clearly outside of the forum. For some reason, this created a certain amount of near hysteria.

As far as I am aware, Joe 90 did not advertise his tickets here and did not breach any forum rules.

SimonKE was offered money off line for his tickets. (from a forum member no less) However, in my opinion, he did not break any forum rules, even if he chose to accept the exceptional offer.

If someone I willing to sell something, and someone is willing to buy it, at a mutually agreed price then that is down to them. As long as they do not break forum rules by advertising it at inflated prices or offering to buy items at inflated prices on the forum.

It is common knowledge that the ACO are a shambles as far as ticket ordering and allocation is concerned. Too many tickets are allocated to the major ticket agencies (P&M, MRI Just T’s) who sell them on at exorbitantly inflated prices, indeed I am sure that si where many people obtained their tickets this year.

As for Andy Z saying Joe 90 should have explained the circumstances in the first place, I have to say firstly, it was pretty obvious he was talking about more tickets than he was actually selling, and secondly, I don’t believe he should have had to explain himself because he didn’t even advertise them on the CA forum he had noting to answer to.

For goodness sake, lets move on…….and look forward to the greatest motor race on earth in less than four weeks now.

[Climbing down off soap box now!!]

Anyone fancy meeting for beer to clear the air (and our throats)

jpchenet has summed it up very well and I would like to thank him.

OK, thanks JP. I think everyone understands the position and each other quite clearly now.

It's also worth remembering that sometimes people write one thing but really mean another, or simply haven't explained themselves adequately (not directed at ANYONE, just a general point!).

I'm locking this thread now as I think it has run far enough. Thanks all.