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Club Arnage => General Discussion => Topic started by: president on March 10, 2004, 03:25:17 pm

Title: Pre-Qualifying
Post by: president on March 10, 2004, 03:25:17 pm: only six weeks to go now until we can get a taste for Le Mans again...

so who's going then? PM/Smokie/Bretheren/Rickmeister by any chance?

and who else is camping on the infield (P16 vert) camping facility?
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: hgb on March 10, 2004, 03:38:43 pm: Just six weeks :o :o :o, just kidding ;D. I'll be there too.
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: BigH on March 10, 2004, 03:40:08 pm: Following a show of bravery in front of the enemy, above and beyond the price of a small beer, I might be coming...
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Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: engineerjim on March 10, 2004, 03:46:35 pm: Went to PQ for first time last year.

Will be there again this year.

Slumming it in a hotel though
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: president on March 10, 2004, 04:39:14 pm: I recognise those stickers...not sure about the butt cheeks though

I must remind the T.W.A.T.S. not to take 12,000 stickers with them this year!
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Gilles on March 10, 2004, 05:54:09 pm: I'm coming to PQ...
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Brad Zarse on March 10, 2004, 07:13:59 pm: Save the stickers for the race !!
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Brad Zarse on March 10, 2004, 07:19:22 pm: Sorry - i am just playing with these funny text systems really......this is kinda fun !!Really - its great!

Save the stickers for the race!

How do you become a T.W.A.T member by the way?(http://)
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: RS2 Babe on March 10, 2004, 07:31:59 pm: Count Me and Mr RS2 (aka 50CC Man) in but I am not too sure about the camping being as its only a short distance to travel for us ;)

That being said - lets hope Mr RS2 doesn't get it into his head to do a practice run on the scooter.

We should arrange a proper meeting as from the other times I have been it is still really busy and not too many Brits (sorry Gilles but its true) just lots of French and their kids and dogs!

We could give our t-shirts a trial run as well ;D

I am stopping now before I wet myself with excitment ( I know I am going to be sorry I mentioned that)

It has been a long day at the office and I obviously need to get some fresh air.

TTFN

RS2 Babe
:-* :-* :-*
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Robbo SPS on March 10, 2004, 08:10:38 pm: PQ VIRGINS QUESTIONS

What the crack, is it sunday only, saturday only , both , or a bit of both as to speak ???
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: BigH on March 10, 2004, 08:11:24 pm: Does Mr RS2 know a "Lizzie" in his line of work?
H
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: MrRS2babe on March 10, 2004, 09:19:44 pm: why would that be then H ??

can't confirm or deny............

and yes I have every intention of driving down on the funky moped.............

remember seeing the best ever mullet hairdo at last years PQ at Arnage corner - worth going just for that really!
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Gilles on March 11, 2004, 09:54:47 am: Quote from: RS2 Babe on March 10, 2004, 07:31:59 pm

We should arrange a proper meeting as from the other times I have been it is still really busy and not too many Brits (sorry Gilles but its true) just lots of French and their kids and dogs!

RS2 Babe
:-* :-* :-*

PQ is quite less expensive than the june race. The popular tradition is reporting on the PQ.

When you're local, married, with at least 2 or 3 kids, you are probably not enough money these years to come in June, but you may come at PQ with all your screaming family, buy the T-Shirt of last year edition, proof for all your colleagues you were here in June, and you come with all your pets visiting a zoo when you can admire a few of British specimens...

... but I don't know who is on the human side of the zoo ;)
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Mr. Rick on March 11, 2004, 09:56:06 am: Quote from: RS2 Babe on March 10, 2004, 07:31:59 pm
We should arrange a proper meeting ......

Good call! Fairly successful in the past has been the Sebring bar at lunchtime on the Saturday but I vaguely remember that being shut last year?

Not sure of my place of residence for the Saturday night. Last year I was in a rather splendid chateau, but previous years has either been the old tentie thing in Vert somewhere or the Grand Hotel in Solesmes (which is a tad far but does have Canal Plus, although this year with the date change 'n' all, we wouldn't be treated to the 1st Sat of the month post midnight adult film fest!!!). Even managed to squeeze into the Auberge Hotel (by the 2nd chicane) one year. Apparently we shouldn't have got in as it's "reserved" many years in advance.

Can't believe it's only a smidge over 6 weeks away!!!! Wooo hoooo!!

;D
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Robbo SPS on March 11, 2004, 12:38:01 pm: Quote from: Robbo SPS on March 10, 2004, 08:10:38 pm
PQ VIRGINS QUESTIONS

What the crack, is it sunday only, saturday only , both , or a bit of both as to speak ???

So what is the crack. Never been to PQ, and may try it this year ?

Any advise , please....
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: hgb on March 11, 2004, 12:57:17 pm: On saturday there's scruteneering and the paddock is open to public. There won't be any track action on saturday, only posing and presenting ;D. The actual test day is on sunday. The paddock is closed and testing starts from 09:00 on. If you're lucky (and very early) you even have the chance to slip into the paddock area.
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: MrRS2babe on March 11, 2004, 07:08:59 pm: Robbo

PQ is well worth the trip. Firstly, your general entrance ticket gets you in for this as well as June.

Access to all the grandstands is free. It is obviously a lot quieter than June and access (i.e. driving to Arnage/Mulsanne ) all around the circuit is very easy.

Me and MrsRS2 last year got literally trackside at the Porsche curves (because of the relaxed security and less people around).

2002 all the area behind the garages was open and you could walk in between the motorhomes right to the back of the team garages (but they seemed to have cottoned on to that last year unfortunately and closed it off).

No atmosphere in the village of course and a lot less exotica to view on the public roads but the on track action more than compensates and of course is the best way to whet the appetite for June............
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Robbo SPS on March 12, 2004, 01:22:11 am: Cheers

My thought is a saturday night ferry arriving 0630 in Le Havre, 2 hour blast in either car or on big bike and watch said PQ , then return to ferry at 2300 for Monday day at work.

Wasnt sure if it was possible though .

Thanks any way
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Perdu on March 12, 2004, 03:51:42 pm: Bloody hell two hours is gonna be pushing the envelope a little Robbo. Microlight maybe.

Just had an email about cheapo ferries Pompey-Le Havre down to £180 now if ordered before April 1st. Was about £300 before Xmas. Sort of tempting, I wonder if Mrs Bill fancies a quick trip, nearly said quickie then, slip of the wotsit! :-[

Bill
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Robbo SPS on March 12, 2004, 03:57:56 pm: Quote from: Perdu on March 12, 2004, 03:51:42 pm
Bloody hell two hours is gonna be pushing the envelope a little Robbo. Microlight maybe.

Just had an email about cheapo ferries Pompey-Le Havre down to £180 now if ordered before April 1st. Was about £300 before Xmas. Sort of tempting, I wonder if Mrs Bill fancies a quick trip, nearly said quickie then, slip of the wotsit! :-[

Bill

Two hours 150 miles , no real isues on a bike . Did the return from 1000 kms in just under 2hours. so i may miss the start.........
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Andy Zarse on March 12, 2004, 04:20:34 pm: Quote from: Robbo SPS on March 12, 2004, 01:22:11 am
Cheers

My thought is a saturday night ferry arriving 0630 in Le Havre, 2 hour blast in either car or on big bike and watch said PQ , then return to ferry at 2300 for Monday day at work.

Wasnt sure if it was possible though .

Thanks any way
When I've been to PQ, this is the way I've done it, a bit tiring but well possible. Maybe use Caen, maybe Le Havre, depends on the best deal. Maybe I'll get to go this year instead of the South of England Spring Garden Show/Llama Fanciers Meeting fiasco of last year. >:( >:(
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Steve Pyro on March 12, 2004, 04:33:41 pm: I'm still undecided (been caught prevaricating again).

I'll be in Kent that weekend, so Dover / Calais is the obvious choice, but as to where to kip - the back of the car may look promising at 3 am Sunday!
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: jpchenet on March 12, 2004, 04:58:15 pm: Quote from: Steve Brown on March 12, 2004, 04:33:41 pm
I'm still undecided (been caught prevaricating again).

I'll be in Kent that weekend, so Dover / Calais is the obvious choice, but as to where to kip - the back of the car may look promising at 3 am Sunday!

What are you doing in Kent that weekend Steve?? Thought we were running my missus' people carrier down. The plan from the London beer session was Gibberish, Rick you and I, and possibly AZ if he fancies it, going down together in the Galaxy (No, not in that way Big H) still with plenty of space for kit and booze!!
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Steve Pyro on March 12, 2004, 05:09:37 pm: Quote from: jpchenet on March 12, 2004, 04:58:15 pm
What are you doing in Kent that weekend Steve?? Thought we were running my missus' people carrier down. The plan from the London beer session was Gibberish, Rick you and I, and possibly AZ if he fancies it, going down together in the Galaxy (No, not in that way Big H) still with plenty of space for kit and booze!!

Arh yes, remember it now. Must have been distracted by Raoul's antics.
Right, sod Kent, Plan A sounds a lot better. I'm in.
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Perdu on March 12, 2004, 10:07:00 pm: Right Robbo was thinking too many wheels and trying to pass "les camions" on the roads near Gace, etc. With your bike no sweat. Enjoy it, Mrs Bill she say "bugger off"! Again!
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: donati on March 13, 2004, 01:52:27 am: Quote from: hgb on March 11, 2004, 12:57:17 pm
On saturday there's scruteneering and the paddock is open to public. There won't be any track action on saturday, only posing and presenting ;D. The actual test day is on sunday. The paddock is closed and testing starts from 09:00 on. If you're lucky (and very early) you even have the chance to slip into the paddock area.

When does the action end on Sunday?
Any night/evening action?
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: gibberish on March 13, 2004, 09:47:56 am: Quote from: jpchenet on March 12, 2004, 04:58:15 pm
What are you doing in Kent that weekend Steve?? Thought we were running my missus' people carrier down. The plan from the London beer session was Gibberish, Rick you and I, and possibly AZ if he fancies it, going down together in the Galaxy (No, not in that way Big H) still with plenty of space for kit and booze!!

'kin hell Mark! I don't remember that ;D Pissed again I suppose :o

On a more serious note, blasted redundancy has thrown the whole thing in the air for me, but give us a proposed budget, and I'll work on it. ;)
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: jpchenet on March 13, 2004, 12:35:03 pm: Quote from: gibberish on March 13, 2004, 09:47:56 am
Quote from: jpchenet on March 12, 2004, 04:58:15 pm
What are you doing in Kent that weekend Steve?? Thought we were running my missus' people carrier down. The plan from the London beer session was Gibberish, Rick you and I, and possibly AZ if he fancies it, going down together in the Galaxy (No, not in that way Big H) still with plenty of space for kit and booze!!

'kin hell Mark! I don't remember that ;D Pissed again I suppose :o

On a more serious note, blasted redundancy has thrown the whole thing in the air for me, but give us a proposed budget, and I'll work on it. ;)

It was while we were in the bar just off Carnaby Street. I think the bar maid may have been distrat=cting you?? ;D

Not sure of budget, but hoepfully the ferries shouldn't be too expensive that time of year. Need a group decision about whether we would camp or want a cheap hotel.
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: gibberish on March 13, 2004, 01:25:38 pm: If if if..................I have a 4 berth frame tent, which will sleep more if desperate.
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: powermite on March 13, 2004, 06:27:38 pm: The usual WANCs will be making the trip.I think Fri night over and sunday back.
Also me and mrsPM are off to StMalo for the weekend next friday,just to get me in the mood.
Sadly though it doesnt look like the Transam's new motor will arrive from the states in time,so i'll be in Griffs Range Rover being jealous of Big Al and Mrs Doubtfire in the 'Vette
The best ive had is a pic of it on the dyno!!
PM

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Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: hgb on March 15, 2004, 08:15:15 am: Why is there a fence ? Is that baby such an animal ? ;D
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Steve Pyro on March 15, 2004, 11:24:01 am: Quote from: hgb on March 15, 2004, 08:15:15 am
Why is there a fence ? Is that baby such an animal ? ;D

That's a toughened glass safety window :o
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: RS2 Babe on March 15, 2004, 02:33:42 pm: Quote from: powermite on March 13, 2004, 06:27:38 pm
Also me and mrsPM are off to StMalo for the weekend next friday,just to get me in the mood.
PM

Pm and Mrs PM - St Malo is only 25mins from Me & Mr RS2s abode! - when you have done your shopping and stuff you should drop by or we can meet up somewhere.

Let me know your plans and if you have any spare time for a cup of tea!

Mrs RS2 Babe
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: powermite on March 15, 2004, 05:11:28 pm: Thanks RS2 ,i'll certainly try to take you up on the offer.

Thanks again

PM
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: powermite on March 15, 2004, 05:14:24 pm: The engine should be a beast.Dyno results show 422 BHP and over 400lbs/ft torque from 2500rpm up to 6000rpm

Yummy scrummy!!

PM
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: Steve Pyro on March 15, 2004, 05:20:21 pm: Quote from: powermite on March 15, 2004, 05:14:24 pm
Dyno results show 422 BHP and over 400lbs/ft torque from 2500rpm up to 6000rpm

Yummy scrummy!!

PM

At the flywheel I assume. What do they reckon at the wheels?
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: powermite on March 15, 2004, 05:39:23 pm: not sure at the Flywheel.we'll se when its in

PM
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: BigH on March 15, 2004, 05:48:08 pm: Looks pretty neat PM. I'm afraid I'm not up to much when it comes to US motors - what's it breathing through, is that an injection set up on top? Is 6000 the red-line or the limit? Keeping the lead out of your boot while you run it in could be tricky, you'll be "The Fastest Man in Wales (With a Moustache)" and no mistake once it's spinning.
H
25% lost to the drivetrain?
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: powermite on March 15, 2004, 10:49:01 pm: H,
Ive changed to a six speed manual too so according to this article,i should only lose about 15%.
That would give me a stoill very lovable 358 bhp at the wheels.
I'll get it on the rolling road though once its running well.

this is the article:
But testing rear-wheel horsepower (rwhp -- obviously, front drivers would be measuring fwhp) makes it difficult to convert from what the dyno says to what the manufacturer says. The manufacturer, remember, measures horsepower at the flywheel. All that equipment between the engine and the wheels -- the transmission, driveshaft, differential, and axles -- introduce friction and inertial losses summarized as "powertrain loss" or "parasitic losses". The efficiency of the driveline can greatly affect the amount of the powertrain loss: Ford's AOD transmission, for example, is notoriously inefficient. As a very general rule, rear-wheel horsepower on a manual-transmission car is about 15% less than SAE net, and rear-wheel horsepower on an automatic-transmission car is about 20% less than SAE net.
Title: Re:Pre-Qualifying
Post by: BigH on March 16, 2004, 09:22:17 am: Sounds a corker PM, let us know how you get on.

There's two sounds guaranteed to bring a smile and raise not only the hairs on the back of your neck. One happens when you're walking towards a race circuit at the beginning of the day and you hear the first crack-crack of a racing motor fire up. The second happens when after many hours of labour getting a re-built engine back into the car it starts up for the first time and sits in there chuntering away. Best of luck!
H