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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/motorbikes/6734325.stm

A terrible accident.  I am sure all CAers will join me in offering condolences to all concerned

A terrible outcome that will take the shine off John McGuinness becoming the first rider to break the 130mph barrier.

Sad news, unfortunately this seems to be the story of my afternoon today.

Condolences to the families and friends.

It's a terrible waste. That they all knew the risks (and I include the spectators) is of no comfort.

A sad day for everyone involved.



In the present nanny state we live in, I forsee black clouds on the horizon for the TT.

What can I say that will bring some comfort to the bereived?

Please accept my condolences.

Jerry

Very sad news indeed, as Andy said, everyone knows and understands the risk's involved in this glorious, gladatorial event.  But I'm afraid Barry's probably right, in our contemporary, politically correct, wrap everyone in wool blankets and give them a cup of warm milk, world, the TT's days could very well be numbered.
Fax

One possible reason that the TT continues at all is that the Isle of Man (and States of Jersey and Guernsey etc) are self governing autonomous states within the UK and have their own health and safety legislation and laws.

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This is very sad and tragic and yes, must be dreadful in respect of the families and friends of those involved.

Death to participants and/or spectators, in anything we deem to be a sport, might seem incomprehensible to some.

I have just come home from a live motor racing event here in Jersey. A spectacular night time sprint race, involving many of the classics we know and love. This took place on a road where you normally 'get done' for speeding over 40MPH but tonight, it sounded just bit like Le Mans out there.

So, what Steve mentioned is indeed correct. I think the only reason the TT continues is because it is in the IOM. There have been many tragic incidents in the history of the TT but competitors still compete and fans still appreciate the risks they take in the name of the sport.

At the end of the day, isn't that part of the appeal of the event?  No one has a gun put to their heads making them participate.  They do it for the love of the sport and the thrill of it.   When the day is over the riders can share a pint and say "Jesus! That was something special" working without the safety net of mile-wide gravel traps.  Bike racers have always been, and will always be, a different breed.
As we say, they know the risk, for many that's what brings them back.
The higher the thrill, the higher the price.  How much are you willing to pay?
Goes for the spectators too.
Fax

lets get this off the soap box and back on topic shall we.

Out of respect to all those involved in this tragedy, and along with other CA’s I offer my heart felt condolences.

Thank you Monkey.  This thread was startred as a place for us simply to express condolences.

Well said!!

This thread is simply entitled "TT tradegy". I see nothing in any of the above posts that is in any way disrespectful to those killed or their releatives, nothing that is off-topic and nothing that is inappropriate. Quite the opposite in fact.

Whilst I might be opening myself to accusations of churlishness, I don't see how we can reasonably be expected to know the narrow intention of the original poster in that the thread was meant only to be for offerring condolences. I am therefore slightly disappointed that there appears to be implied criticism of certain members posts.

 slightly disappointed that there appears to be implied criticism of certain members posts.
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I'm sorry and disappointed you feel that way.

I'm sorry and disappointed you feel that way.


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Personally I don't think sarcasm is a suitable idiom for this thread.

Whenever a tradegy occurs somewhere in the world, or a person of note dies, there are often obituary threads on CA. They are some of the most beautiful and moving things you can read on here. These threads almost always have annecdotes, reflections and asides in addition to the offers of condolence. It is the way of Club Arnage.

Personally I don't think sarcasm is a suitable idiom for this thread.

Whenever a tradegy occurs somewhere in the world, or a person of note dies, there are often obituary threads on CA. They are some of the most beautiful and moving things you can read on here. These threads almost always have annecdotes, reflections and asides in addition to the offers of condolence. It is the way of Club Arnage.
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I was not being sarcastic Andy, I was genuinely sorry that you felt that I was being critical

Fair enough mate, no hard feelings. It was just your suggestion that some people were on a "soapbox", which is not normally a good thing; I took that to be unmerited criticism of the comments in the thread. Sorry.

You should try not to be so sensitive Andy.

No hard feelings here either. Who know perhaps we will bump into each other at Le Sarthe later in the week.
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Thanks for getting my back Andy, appreciate it.
My apologies if it appeared I was on a "soapbox"  I didn't realize this was purley a condolances only thread.  Safety and the TT always inspire some lively discussion and, being a fan of the bikers, I thought I would chime in.
Fax

But we always digress and we all have our opinions.

I feel sorry for the people involved and also follow the senitments that it will be a struggle for the TT to keep going. Once a large bike firm remove their bikes from entering, it may start the decline.

People pass away each day.
A Police man died today doing his job, but we havent offered any sorrow for that.

Lets enjoy people giving their opinions in which ever way they digress.

Thank you Robbo, well said from a bloke who understands what CA is all about.

Monkey, I don't think I was being especially sensitive, I simply failed to realise that this was a "condolences only" thread, mainly because there was absolutely nothing to suggest that that is what it should be, and I was therefore disappointed with the apparent rebuke of the other posters who went beyond condolences (and I don't mean just Fax).

The implication being that I don't Andy is that it?

OK, having been away for a few days I return to see this thread has turned into a bit of a spat.

It is true that there was no 'direction' given in the title of this thread to say that all contributions MUST be limited to expressions of condolence.  However I had hoped that sentiment would have been pretty clear from the the first entry I made.

Some of the comments made by various contributors I do agree with but I wouldn't have expected to read them here - a different thread perhaps?

Anyway, I really do NOT want to add fuel to this particular fire.

My intentions for the thread weren't clear so thank you all for contributions made to date (even the ones I wasn't expecting).

Let's wrap this up with me offering again, on behalf of all CA members and contributors, our condolences to all involved.

yes, I'll second that.