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Title: 2020 race start time
Post by: lofty on April 10, 2020, 05:34:26 pm
If the race starts in september it willbe at 2.30.lets hope so.stay safe dudes.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Kristof on April 10, 2020, 07:11:53 pm
New timetable for September.

No scrutineering in town but at the track. 
Drivers Parade still scheduled for Friday afternoon.


Provisional schedule for the 2020 24 Hours of Le Mans: 13–20 September
 

Saturday 12 September

18:00 – End of the installation process. The teams are set up in their garages and paddock.
 
Sunday 13 September

08:00-17:30 – Scrutineering – competitors are summoned to attend the administrative checks (Welcome building) and technical inspections (circuit).
 
Monday 14 September

08:00-17:30 – Scrutineering – competitors are summoned to attend the administrative checks (Welcome building) and technical inspections (circuit).
 
Tuesday 15 September

10:00 – Briefings for drivers and marshals in the Welcome building
17:00-18:30 – Pit walk and autograph sessions
 
Wednesday 16 September

13:00-18:00 – First free practice session – FP1
20:00-23:00 – Second free practice session – FP2
23:15-00:00 – Qualifying
N.B. Rookies are required to complete 10 laps during FP1 and FP2.
 

Thursday 17 September

17:00-18:00 – Third free practice session – FP3
20:00-20:30 – 24 Hours Hyperpole
21:00-00:00 – Fourth and final free practice session – FP4
N.B. Drivers are now required to complete 8 night-time laps (compared to 5 previously).
 

Friday 18 September

10:00-20:00 – Pit walk
17:00 – Drivers Parade in the city centre.
 
Saturday 19 September

08:15-08:30 – Warm-Up
12:15-12:30 – Pit Lane opened
12:35-13:20 – Access to the Grid Walk open
13:15-13:40 – Grid Walk cleared
13:40-14:21 – Starting procedure
14:30 – Start of the 88th 24 Hours of Le Mans
 
Sunday 20 September

14:30 – End of the 88th 24 Hours of Le Mans


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Truck on April 11, 2020, 02:01:16 am
A 2:30 start is unique.  Not early enough to give more running before dusk but there must be a clash

Did we ever find out why there was to be a 4pm start this year.

And no sign of support races


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Truck on April 13, 2020, 03:20:46 pm
I saw somewhere that the FIA were talking about a shortened F1 season starting in October  Clearly, they don't want a clash of dates.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Chrisgr31 on April 13, 2020, 08:51:00 pm
A 2:30 start is unique.  Not early enough to give more running before dusk but there must be a clash

Did we ever find out why there was to be a 4pm start this year.

And no sign of support races

I wonder if the earlier start time is to give the teams, retail units etc time to pack up before its dark?

As regards the support races the email from the ACO on Friday so details of the support races would be provided later, which implies there will be some.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Kristof on April 14, 2020, 10:36:14 am
Road to Le Mans was already confirmed as support race.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: geoffd on April 15, 2020, 04:35:13 pm
The earlier start time is to cater for TV and to allow some extra daylight running for TV too.

The return to 16:00 start time was to allow for extra stuff to happen in the run up to the start.

I think there was a Porker race due this year, it will be interesting to see if they try and fit one in.

Almost certainly the race is going to clash with multiple sporting events, especially with the TdF to finish on the 20th, plus there is bound to be a GP on both LM weekends, the Canadian one was due to clash this year anyway.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: ewan on April 20, 2020, 12:01:45 pm
Found this, from Macron, last week

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Speaking in an address to the nation on Monday night, French President Emmanuel Macron announced the extension of nationwide lockdown until at least 11th May, as the country continues to fight the COVID-19 pandemic.

“Public gatherings, restaurants, cafes and hotels, cinemas, theatres, halls and museums will remain closed at this stage. The big festivals and events with a big audience will not be able to occur until earliest mid-July. The situation will be collectively evaluated from mid-May to adapt things and provide more clarity.”

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2020/quarantine-in-france-extended-until-11th-may-no-mass-gatherings-until-mid-july/


Germany & Belgium have banned mass gatherings until end of August for now; I'm starting to think there's no way LM24 will be going ahead unless it does so behind closed doors...
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/news/more-races-under-threat-as-europe-extends-bans-on-mass-gatherings


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: geoffd on April 20, 2020, 02:46:23 pm
Found this, from Macron, last week

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Speaking in an address to the nation on Monday night, French President Emmanuel Macron announced the extension of nationwide lockdown until at least 11th May, as the country continues to fight the COVID-19 pandemic.

“Public gatherings, restaurants, cafes and hotels, cinemas, theatres, halls and museums will remain closed at this stage. The big festivals and events with a big audience will not be able to occur until earliest mid-July. The situation will be collectively evaluated from mid-May to adapt things and provide more clarity.”

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2020/quarantine-in-france-extended-until-11th-may-no-mass-gatherings-until-mid-july/


Difficult to run a race behind closed doors when half of the track is public road!
And I doubt the ACO could afford to run the race without paying customers anyway, so it will either run as "normal" or not at all I would have thought.

As an aside the Belgium government hasn't as yet declared what a mass gathering is!

Germany & Belgium have banned mass gatherings until end of August for now; I'm starting to think there's no way LM24 will be going ahead unless it does so behind closed doors...
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/news/more-races-under-threat-as-europe-extends-bans-on-mass-gatherings


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: ewan on April 20, 2020, 03:00:23 pm
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geoffd said:

Difficult to run a race behind closed doors when half of the track is public road!
And I doubt the ACO could afford to run the race without paying customers anyway, so it will either run as "normal" or not at all I would have thought.

I'm sure if they really needed to, they could still close the roads etc, but you're right that they'd probably not do it if they couldn't sell tickets. Not worth the aggro, unless the costs would be covered by TV rights or subscription streaming or the like.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: jimclark on April 20, 2020, 05:28:24 pm
Agreed, TV rights etc. will make the difference hopefully. Many sports (auto racing, football, baseball, basketball, golf, horse racing, etc.) here (U.S.) are contemplating proceeding without fans attending. Those hosting arenas need to make up the lost fan revenue (tix, concessions, etc.) also so I'm assuming negotiations are in the works.......


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: geoffd on April 21, 2020, 09:29:00 am
The other problem problem for events like LM and F1 is that they have presold tickets and have the money sat in their bank accounts, and have probably spent some of it already! I can't see that LM would get enough revenue from TV to cover the costs of putting the race on. 

The Silverstone GP pays it's hosting fee out of the ticket revenue (which just about covers it), with no ticket sales it would not be able to pay Liberty and so they would have to wave the fee.

The Premier League in the UK doesn't really need the money from ticket sales, but it does need the money from TV rights, so chances are the season will be finished one way or another.

Anyway September is some way off yet, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed!


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Kristof on April 21, 2020, 10:56:50 am
Belgium should give more information about which events will be labelled as a "mass event" on Friday.  
That should give an insight into whether it will be possible to see any racing at Spa or not before September.

At this time I can't see anything happening to be honest.  There's fear for a second wave of the virus after the summer, at the end of August and in September if everyone comes out of lockdown.  It's still uncertain if and how we will be able to travel in the upcoming months, especially if you have to go from one country to another (like teams, drivers, media if racing starts again); will they force us into quarantine, will we need immunity tests (and what will happen with those who are not immune), drivers & team members will have to be flown in from all continents ...  

2020 might well be a lost year  :(

  


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Kev_mk3 on April 25, 2020, 07:55:53 pm
Think it will be mad if they postpone it again to October / November. The wife has said she will get a babysitter for the baby so she can go later in the year. Not sure I'd want to camp that time of the year to be honest.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Barry on April 26, 2020, 11:37:20 am
Not sure I'd want to camp that time of the year to be honest.

Did some October/November camping in my youth with the Army Cadets.
Not impossible if it's dry, keeping warm is quite easy, but if it's wet it's a miserable experience.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: jimclark on April 27, 2020, 12:47:59 pm
Did some October/November camping in my youth with the Army Cadets.
Not impossible if it's dry, keeping warm is quite easy, but if it's wet it's a miserable experience.
And with all the so called "climate warming" (oooopppsss, renamed for convenience in cases of the other way, now it's "climate change"), it should be warm as toast.......  ::)


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Kev_mk3 on April 27, 2020, 01:23:02 pm
Not sure I'd want to camp that time of the year to be honest.

Did some October/November camping in my youth with the Army Cadets.
Not impossible if it's dry, keeping warm is quite easy, but if it's wet it's a miserable experience.
That is the main concern. Would you really want to sit while there like that, i wouldnt.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Barry on April 27, 2020, 03:07:25 pm
The other issue on holding LM is of course marshall's.
Without them it won't happen.
Not sure how many they need, but it's a lot and I believe they are almost all volunteers.
Apart from concerns about their own health, would they be willing to turn out in November?
And how do you keep social distancing when you are trying to extract a driver from a crashed car?


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Truck on April 27, 2020, 05:24:02 pm
.....And how do you keep social distancing when you are trying to extract a driver from a crashed car?
Well they think they can do it for the British Grand Prix. ::)

The mechanics can probably do it for a pit stop, but not for repairs in the garage, and I could go on, but we'll have a vaccine by November


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Rhino on April 28, 2020, 02:50:14 pm
They will have some sort of check before hand. Whether a swab or temperature. You could not run anything assuming everyone would keep 2 metres apart.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: lofty on April 28, 2020, 05:39:04 pm
September shouldn’t be too cold.at least I’m not doing the spa 24h this year.the new dates are the end of October brrrrrrrr.bollocks to spa in October  the cars will be running snow tyres.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: geoffd on April 29, 2020, 02:10:04 pm
LM Temps in September should be about 1 degree cooler, certainly when we passed through last September they didn't seem a lot different to the average June temp, leaving aside any extremes. the only difference will be the hours of darkness, so it will get cooler earlier and warm up a bit later.

If the Spa 24 goes ahead at the end of October it'll be interesting to see how they (and the timing) handle the clocks changing!




Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: ewan on April 29, 2020, 02:44:38 pm
https://www.sportinglife.com/other-sports/news/tour-de-france-in-doubt-again/179513

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French prime minister Edouard Philippe said there could be no mass sporting events in the country until September due to the coronavirus pandemic.

In a speech on Tuesday ... the country's prime minister ... said that "events that bring together more than 5,000 participants...cannot be held before September".

OK, so the new Le Mans dates are 21/2 weeks into Sept, but this feels like they're not about to say no to an event of 5,000 punters at the end of August, but say an event of 250,000 is OK to run 3 weeks later.
And the TV rights won't be anything like enough to cover the costs of running the race, I'd imagine. F1 could run with no spectators because they make so much from sponsors and TV, but I can't believe the ACO would be able to fund the race without revenue from the weekend.


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Kev_mk3 on April 29, 2020, 07:18:00 pm
I wonder if it will go ahead at all at this rate  ???


Title: Re: 2020 race start time
Post by: Kristof on May 01, 2020, 06:01:05 pm
French government slashed the possibility of the ELMS prologue and first race at Paul Ricard in July.  It's also likely that France won't let (many) tourists in during the summer.
All eyes now on the Belgian government for Spa in August, although no decision about large events will be made here before early June.   And even then it remains to be seen if they even will allow events behind closed doors.

From what I read/hear the ACO wants to have a race before Le Mans, so if Spa is out which options will be open?   Guess at the moment it's only Red Bull Ring which might be able to host ELMS test, first race and WEC race. 

Run Le Mans behind closed doors?  Don't see that happening to be honest.