Club Arnage

Oh look, someone got nicked for speeding, in speeding hell - north wales!
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44206000/jpg/_44206816_meredyddpa300.jpg)


Can we run a book (run a vote), on will he get away with it or will he get a ban -Case is 21st Nov

Depends how fast he was going, me thinks. That isn't stated :-\

90 in a 60.

No ban will be issued.  Reason being that he was a trained police pursuit driver and therefore driving safely.

In other words...............'knuckles rapped'.

Whats the betting?

90 in a 60 limit according to the newspaper!

The outcome of the prosecution (IF it even gets that far) is such a dead cert!

Unless there is a breath of fresh air running through the legal system, and CORRUPT, ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO THE SERVICE, PUBLIC ABUSING COPPERS actually get what they deserve!!!!!!!

 

He'll probably get off on a "technicality"  ::)

According to my trusty daily paper the twat in question is in the process of stepping down from his current possition with the law enforcers ;D

Bumstorm will drop the case as they are 'mates', or should I say 'were'!

By the time his case actually gets to court.... which will be months as he is "in there".... all evidence will have been either lost,invalid or out of date.
Bet he ignored the first 2 letters he got too!!
Would be good to see one get hammered but it wont happen.
Someone I know (cant mention names) only got 6 months ban for 153 mph on the M3 because he could pay for a QC and his brother, the same for 126 in a 60.
Stinks!
However... Should the Chavalier be clocked at 40 in a 30 I have Garmin evidence to prove the speedo is 10 mph over at all times! Hya!

The chappie in question is dear old Meredith who is the 'chair' of APCO (Assoc' of Chief Police Ossifers). And is/was a close friend of Bumstorm of Traffic Taliban fame.

If the Chavalier could even make 30 I would call that a result. The only mortal danger I could imagine would be the toxic emissions of copious clouds of methane exploding from your unwashed arse dude.  ;D

He'll be prosecuted. He's not in or probably wasnt in a car deemed as suitable for the purpose, or involved in an incident requiring the use of legal exemptions. Its no longer ethical for the old boys club rules.

grow up. and yes thats an insult.

After 3 currys in 4 days..... you are so true! Oh, and we got back from yours in 8 hours and 57 minutes. Not bad for a 140 mile drive aye! Bless the Chavalier... I think your better half quite liked the look of it and would like it as an ornament in the back garden.... make a good greenhouse!

I bet he gets" mates rates" or how about he was" just trying out the car" that seems to work for those arseholes >:(

I have'nt been in here for a while, but what a great opportunity to try out my new super slim wireless Mac keyboard!!!

Seriously I HOPE THEY AT LEAST BAN HIM.  Why because i have been on the wrong end of monsieur plod culminating in 8 points and a £170 fine a long time ago.  Why am i bitter, because plod went to court and lied, I know it, plod knows it, but the dear old souls that sit on the bench see all those shiny buttons on the uniform and think....gosh they must be telling the truth.

No sympathy from me he deserves what he gets.

Jem

Jem - Not all coppers should be tarred with the same brush. In some courts, Police are questioned in a manner you'd want to see criminals subjected to.
Most traffic issues are heard with no attendance, so they were probably annoyed you even turned up, and didnt plead guilty by post !

If youre really upset, contact their "freedom of information" officer and ask what the result was.

Seems that justice has been done: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7128548.stm

i did say.

Well nice to see justice being done, but spoke to a magistrate the other day, fine about right, but they said that they would have expected about a 90 day driving ban.

I can't say much, waiting to see if I have been done for speeding in sunny north Wales the other day, doing 56-60 in 50 limit,

oh well wot goes around comes around.

On a lighter note ;D, i got a parking ticket earlier today in Pompey as someone had parked in my office spot so I blocked em in for 4 hours with the super cav... half on double yellows and half on the office spot tarmac.
I went out to get lady PP's crimbo prezzie out of the car to find the traffic gestapo taking a pic of the car with the ticket stuck to the window.
A polite conversation ensued.... but what the f**k wit didnt know is that the chav is not registered to me... the docs are still in the glove box from the last owner, a mate ....... so another failure for the Pompey parking plod! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D FUR KEM!

From 'Sniffpetrol'

There was huge embarrassment for the police this week as Meredydd Hughes’s conviction for speeding accidentally revealed that one of their senior officers might be a ‘normal person’.

As the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire received his 42 day driving ban for doing 90mph in a 60mph zone, many top police officers were said to be humiliated and furious that such a high ranking law enforcer might accidentally have allowed the general public to relate to him in some way.

“This matter is proceeding in an extremely difficult direction,” said one speaking policeman. “My colleagues and I are worried that Meredydd Hughes might have been experiencing puny human emotions like being able to assess road and traffic conditions and realising that you can go faster than 60mph on an A-road early on a Monday morning without killing anyone”.

“That’s not all,” our copper gob continued. “We are also extremely concerned that, whilst the Chief Constable clearly committed a crime, it is a crime that ‘the normals’ commit every day and this simply won’t do. How are we supposed to maintain a rabid, binary and unrealistic outlook on speeding when one of our own is behaving like the untermensch? The police simply cannot break the law in this way because it proves that the law is flawed. We must only break the law in ways the humans cannot relate to nor excuse at all. For example, murdering a man at a Tube station. We’re bloody good at that one”.

Not sure if this should be a new thread.

A while ago now I collected a Fixed Penalty for Speeding.  But since it was 36 in a 30 I had the choice of 3 points and a Fine or Pay a bit more and take a half day Training course.   So I took the training course.  On the course it was stated that the "Zero Tollerance" speed is 35.  That is 10% plus 2 Mph. 30 + 3 + 2 = 35.  So
as long as you are doing less than 36 your not going to get fined.

I now know someone who recently received a Fixed Penalty for 35 in a 30.

I really feel like asking for my money back.     I paid for training and advice.   The advice was bad advice.  It's probably explained by the fact the young chap leading the course had been done three times. 

t.

Are most speedos not set 4 or 5 mph faster than actual speed anyway  ???

I regularly passs two,
I pass one at 28/29 and it reads 30/31
T'other I pass at 36/37/38 and it reads 38/39/40.

There is the odd ocasion where I think it reads 3 over but to be honest it is more often than not 2

BMW 5 series if that matters

.......and under the influence when originally posting!

Well I was under the impression that a speedometer should be accurate  to 10%.   
A quick google suggests that a Speedometer should not under read and should not over read by more than 10%

Really all I ask is that we know where the limits are.  I personally don't care if the have a Zero "Zero Tolerance" and if your doing 30.000000000001 MPH they are going to issue a ticket.    I just want to know where the limit is.

Lets face it you judge your speed by the rate the world goes by.  Glancing at the Speedo from time to time confirm your speed.     Your bound to stray over the limit from time to time. 

I more upset by the fact I was told they will not issue tickets at 35 only to discover they do. Basically the guy lied.   I really don't see why I should pay to be lied to.

Note: on edit,  I have found more information.  he didn't lie just didn't really make it clear what he was saying.  Please see my later post.

t.

I would have thought you paid a bit extra and took the course in order to avoid the penalty points, which in turn will have saved you money on future increased insurance premiums!

My insurance went up by £50 when I got some points...  :-[

F

And then you change tires, and it will all be different again ::)

I think getting caught speeding in access of a few miles is just bad luck. Can happen to anybody any day, you just happen to drive there were the police check was. The Gatsos are pretty obvious nowadays.
What I completely dissaprove with is the insurance companies (in the UK) thinking it's a ligitamite (spelling?) excuse to raise the insurance after you got some points, like Fran says. That's just pure theft! >:(

Yes I took the course to avoid the points,

t.

Money well spent in that case - I wish it had been an option when I got done!

F

I found a couple of interesting things.

First speedo readings see item 7 on :-

http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/roads/about/speeding.htm

The ACPO information here:-  http://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/Data/speed_enforcement_guidelines_web_v7_foi.doc

t.

I totally agree.    IMHO  the option of a course should be offered to any first offender.    I believe the course is only offered for those doing 35 or 36 in a 30.
To my mind someone doing 39 is in more need of the traning.

I also be quite happy with a scheme of say.  A fixed Penalty that is a warning not to be caught in the next say 12 Months.  So basically if you are caught on Camera they issue the fixed penalty.    But you don't have to pay it unless you commit a second offence in the12 Months.   

Another alternative I thought of was before you get snapped you take the course and that gives you one exemption from a Fixed Penalty for the next 12 Months.   

t.

Tom,

We've already done that by reading the Highway Code and passing the Drivering Test.

There is no excuse really for disobeying the Laws of the Land. Don't get me wrong here as I've amassed many points and several lengthy disqualifications over the years all to my cost. Even going into bancrupcy once because I was stupid.

As a construction design engineer specialising in highways, we attempt to make the highways of this country for all users as safe as possible, and yes I agree, we do make mistakes. Not many of us would agree, but I allways put my hand up and have never passed the buck onto a lackie.

There are many instances where the signed speed limit appears inappropriate. But, the signed limit is the Law. If there is no signed limit and there is street lighting,  TREAT IT AS 30 MPH.

If you are caught speeding by a camera, you have little chance. If you are caught by a Police Officer, you may be able to talk your way out of it.  I have.

Well of course there was the time when you didn't need to take a test though I'm not sure there are many people in that category these days.
Then there is the Question of how relevant is the Driving test I took 40+ years ago to todays motoring? 


No I agree.    I was not suggesting that you take the course and than gives you carte blanche to speed.  I meant it as a way of stating that you do understand
the implications of Speeding and are taking a positive step in doing the training.    Thus you should be less likely to speed.    However,  We all know that maintaining any given speed is a judgment thing.   So if having taken the course you misjudge your speed and get snapped doing 35 or 36 in a 30 you can
cash in your training so to speak.

t.

Too true......I go along a 60mph single track on my way home.....with pedestian acess and pavements......there are two industrial estates with turnings onto the road, one MOT station for HGVs, two  garages and two residential areas.........all within 1/2 a mile.....you can imagine 44 tonners pulling out (the road has a giant S bend in it too) and having to come down from 60mph.
Keep going, and two roundabouts later on the same road, nearly a mile in length....  NO pavements....NO road or pedestian access.....straight road....40mph!

MADE for cameras I would say.

Just my 2p worth
First 3 points in March this year after 27years clean, 38 in a 30. 

French speed camera saboteurs demand ransom to halt attacks
Charles Bremner in Paris
French anti-terrorist police are hunting a “guerrilla” organisation that is
blowing up speed cameras and demanding a ransom from the State.

Police are taking seriously claims from the Nationalist Revolutionary Army
Faction (FNAR) that it is responsible for the destruction of six radar
installations on roads in the Paris region over the past six months.

The latest attempted attack was on Tuesday on a motorway close to the
village of Baillet-en-France, 20 miles north of the capital. The device,
consisting of a bundle of explosive and a timer, did not detonate. It was
spotted by a road maintenance team and defused after police closed the
motorway for five hours.

The FNAR, which also calls itself the National Anti-Radar Front, is reported
to be demanding a significant sum of money to halt the attacks, as well as
tax cuts and less rigorous enforcement of the law on the roads.

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The group sent its demands to the Interior Ministry in October. Worded in
the grandiose jargon of 1970s revolutionary groups, it complained about the
oppression of “the owner State which robs its citizens”. The police said
they did not know if they were dealing with one person or a group, “but
either way, this is dangerous stuff”.

Dozens of France’s 1,100 roadside speed cameras have been destroyed or
vandalised since they were introduced in 2003 – later than in most
neighbouring countries. The devices have contributed to a sharp drop in road
deaths, but many drivers still consider their presence “unFrench” and a
breach of their civil rights.

Many believe they were created to fill the state coffers with tens of
millions of euros in fines a year. Many motorists rejoiced last month when
officials reported that speed readings could be exaggerated if the cameras
in the steel-encased units were slightly misaligned with the road. The
Government said that the report was wrong.

Road safety campaigners deplored the violent attacks on the cameras, which
were installed after the former President, Jacques Chirac, decided to get
tough on France’s high death toll on the roads. “The speed cameras are more
than symbolic,” said Chantal Perrichon, president of the League Against
Highway Violence. “Thanks to them, we have saved so many lives.”

Police said that the attacks, which were carried out with primitive homemade
explosives connected to a timer and which appear to be linked, represented a
threat to passing drivers.

The gang is being compared to a mysterious group that planted bombs on
railway tracks in 2003 and demanded a €10 million (L7.2 million) ransom. The
authorities made two unsuccessful attempts to pay the ransom, including a
delivery by a helicopter that failed to find a rendezvous point designated
by the group.

The organisation was never traced and disappeared after announcing in 2004
that it was temporarily suspending its campaign while it improved its
methods. Police said that the railway group appeared to be more professional
than the speed camera saboteurs, but did not rule out a possible link
between the campaigns.

President Sarkozy, who was the Interior Minister at the time of the railway
campaign, has ordered police to crack down hard on the vandalism of speed
cameras, which each cost thousands of euros to install. Attacks on them are
not amusing and are an afront to the authority of the state, he said.

Made me smile -  ;D  - sorry

What a complete plonker!