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Title: Peugeot Sport Diesel Hybrid by end of 2008
Post by: Robbo on March 11, 2008, 02:25:33 pm
Peugeot Sport will present by the end of 2008 a competition Prototype powered by the Diesel hybrid technology!

According to LMES.net


Title: Re: Peugeot Sport Diesel Hybrid by end of 2008
Post by: Ade on March 11, 2008, 02:59:30 pm
Jean Philippe Collin, the managing director of Peugeot, announced this at a press conference at the Geneva Motor Show last week.

Could they possibly be thinking of previewing this at Le Mans this year?

Ade


Title: Re: Peugeot Sport Diesel Hybrid by end of 2008
Post by: Jules G on March 11, 2008, 03:04:17 pm
Diesel hybrid technology!


What the hell does that mean ???


Title: Re: Peugeot Sport Diesel Hybrid by end of 2008
Post by: Ade on March 11, 2008, 03:11:48 pm
Diesel hybrid technology!


What the hell does that mean ???

Diesel engine with KERS (kinetic energy recovery system), i.e., braking produces energy, this energy is then recovered & reused.

"KERS is basically an efficient CVT gearbox joined to a flywheel that rotates when the cars undergo braking. The stored energy can then be used to boost acceleration for overtaking and cornering."

For the technically minded: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/26/kers-technology-revealed/ (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/26/kers-technology-revealed/)

Ade


Title: Re: Peugeot Sport Diesel Hybrid by end of 2008
Post by: Jules G on March 11, 2008, 04:06:45 pm

Diesel engine with KERS (kinetic energy recovery system), i.e., braking produces energy, this energy is then recovered & reused.

"KERS is basically an efficient CVT gearbox joined to a flywheel that rotates when the cars undergo braking. The stored energy can then be used to boost acceleration for overtaking and cornering."


Ade

So it's similar to my son's collection of eslatic band model planes then ;) ;D


Title: Re: Peugeot Sport Diesel Hybrid by end of 2008
Post by: Ade on March 11, 2008, 04:18:22 pm

Diesel engine with KERS (kinetic energy recovery system), i.e., braking produces energy, this energy is then recovered & reused.

"KERS is basically an efficient CVT gearbox joined to a flywheel that rotates when the cars undergo braking. The stored energy can then be used to boost acceleration for overtaking and cornering."


Ade

So it's similar to my son's collection of eslatic band model planes then ;) ;D

Yep, but the elastic bands will of course be bigger. ;D

Ade


Title: Re: Peugeot Sport Diesel Hybrid by end of 2008
Post by: mike(liverpool boys) on March 11, 2008, 06:01:46 pm
Surely thats just more that could possibly go wrong during an endurance race  ???

or can the car run properly if that system fails?


Title: Re: Peugeot Sport Diesel Hybrid by end of 2008
Post by: goodduck on March 11, 2008, 06:39:56 pm
i would assume that if the system failed the diesel engine would continue working without any problems. Im sure we will see more and more manufacturers going down this road *toyota*. i cant wait to see what kind of performance gains it will have.


Title: Re: Peugeot Sport Diesel Hybrid by end of 2008
Post by: DelBoy on March 11, 2008, 07:05:34 pm
"The ACO is currently studying specific rules for LMP1 (cars) which will be equipped with KERS.  This regulation will meet the balance of performance between LMP1"

This is an extract from the 2008 'Sporting Regulations' as issued by the ACO.

What I believe this to mean is that if any vehicle fitted with KERS displays a significant performance benefit, regulations will be put in force to (somehow) slow it down again.

The ACO has a bit of a bee in it's bonnet about overall lap speeds (for safety reasons), and are taking steps to ensure that the lap times do NOT dip below 3min 30secs by bodywork and air restrictor mods, so anything else that is introduced to speed up a vehicle will be pounced on.

Del


Title: Re: Peugeot Sport Diesel Hybrid by end of 2008
Post by: nickliv on March 11, 2008, 07:09:25 pm
"The ACO is currently studying specific rules for LMP1 (cars) which will be equipped with KERS.  This regulation will meet the balance of performance between LMP1"

This is an extract from the 2008 'Sporting Regulations' as issued by the ACO.

What I believe this to mean is that if any vehicle fitted with KERS displays a significant performance benefit, regulations will be put in force to (somehow) slow it down again.

The ACO has a bit of a bee in it's bonnet about overall lap speeds (for safety reasons), and are taking steps to ensure that the lap times do NOT dip below 3min 30secs by bodywork and air restrictor mods, so anything else that is introduced to speed up a vehicle will be pounced on.

Del


BUT they will be let off the congestion charge.



Title: Re: Peugeot Sport Diesel Hybrid by end of 2008
Post by: Lorry on March 12, 2008, 12:53:14 pm
Flywheels??  So will the Peugeots appear with a piece of traction engine bolted to the roof.

This has been tried before and the weight of the flywheel has to be quite a few percent of the weight of the vehicle, and this extra weight just about cancels out any advantage.  There is also the gyroscope effect - when you push it, it turns left instead