Club Arnage
Club Arnage => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lee Self on February 26, 2006, 06:00:48 pm
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Me again, did you miss me? less than 3 weeks until the track opens!
"Sebring... everything before and after is just waiting" thats what Steve McQueen says :D
1982 - 2nd Place - March 82G - Rahal/Trueman/DeNarvaez
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/067.jpg)
1982 - 20th Place - Lola T-600 - Cooke/Adams/Hobbs
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/068_2.jpg)
want more?
-Lee
Thousands of images at my disposal
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I see, looking but not talking, I'll take that as a "yes, more photos please"
1983 - 56th place (from Pole) - Paul Jr/Bell/Michael Andretti
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/093.jpg)
1983 - 3rd Place - Haywood/Holbert
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/101.jpg)
your silence only encourages me :)
-Lee
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Go for it Lee... dont let the ghostly silence bother you... we seem to have a lot of quiet "guests" these last few days.
I am glad there isnt so much brown in race car colours since the 80s tho. :)
I would be interested to see some older Saleens if they have been around for a while (if you are taking requests that is...)
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I'll keep silent then
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And I am not saying a word...see you at Sebring.
Martini...
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well, if you're gonna beg... ::)
Fran: I'm working chronoloigically, will take a bit to get to the saleens...
1985 - 53rd Place (from Pole) - Porsche 962 - Akin/Stuck/Mullen
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/134.jpg)
From Porsche Turbo USA, Pg. 37: Fastest of the 962s, Bob Akin’s pole-sitting Coca-Cola entry, piloted by Bob, Hans Stuck and Jim Mullen. Coca-Cola sponsored the race and the team and they started from the pole. Excellent press release material. Stuck’s 1:31.574 was three-and-a-half seconds better than the Holbert entry in 2nd. Taking the lead on the fourth lap, things couldn’t have looked better. For the first hour, Stuck’s Red Rocket was dominant. At the first fuel stop they were headed by Tullius’ Jaguar, then they chased the #67 BF Goodrich Porsche. Sadly, in the third hour, it all went away. “Mullen was motoring down the backstretch at something approaching 200 miles per hour when debris blew his right rear tire and the exploding tire ripped up the rear of the car, ‘it tore the car apart’ is how Akin put it.”
-Lee
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Do you have any pit shots of the Garrettson 934 that won overall?How about some old Turn10 to get us in the mood? ;D ;D
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How about some old Turn10 to get us in the mood? ;D ;D
My God, Randy! Do you need old pictures to get in the mood?
I just need an entry list and a calender to get all exited. Only 110 days 'till LM... :P
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Only 110 days 'till LM... :P
Even less until we leave ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Only 110 days 'till LM... :P
Even less until we leave ;D ;D ;D ;D
Indeed!
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Only 16 days for us, you guys should ask if they can hold your race any earlier.
1986 53rd - Jaguar XJR-7 - Tulius/Robinson/Ballott-Lena
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/178B.jpg)
1986 74th place - only 10 laps - Engine - Moretti
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/189.jpg)
-Lee
tent-check, coolers-check, golf club-check
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Great pics Lee, love the photo of Bob Akin's Coca Cola 962. I always had a soft spot for that car. However I have very sad memories of the Coke 962 from the Mid-Ohio IMSA round in 1986. It was the weekend after Le Mans and Bob's team had painted a large black stripe across the nose of the car in memory of Jo Gartner. Jo was part of their winning trio along with Hans Stuck and Bob Akin at Sebring and his death was weighing heavily on everyone at Mid-Ohio that weekend.
Fax
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Fax: I was at that race. Mid-Ohio '86. I'll see what I can find and scan this afternoon. The car went out early in the race, with Stuck driving. Coasted to a stop on the front straight, Stuck hopped out and pulled the engine cover off. electrics I believe. The team seemed visibly relievedtheir race was over.
By contrast, In the Holbert garage they had the Le Mans victory wreath on a stand.
mixed emotions. -Lee
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Yes, I do remember very clearly now remember seeing Al's victory garland on display. Spent a good deal of Saturday down in the paddock and one could sense that everyone's thoughts were on Jo, he had become a very popular member of Akin Racing and the IMSA community as a whole. Bob's usually merry band were obviously very shaken.
Fax
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Fax: here you go, knew I had 'em. Mid-Ohio '86
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/MidOhio_86_1.jpg)
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/MidOhio_86_2.jpg)
almost lost the second shot to the processing machine... kinda mangled
-Lee
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...but back to the race at hand.
Can you smell the orange blossoms yet?
1987 - 5th Place - Porsche 962 - Akin/Weaver/Shelton
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/250.jpg)
1989 - 52nd Place (from 2nd) - Nissan GTP-ZXT - Luyendyk - only 14 laps, suspension failure.
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/397-10.jpg)
The sister #83 car won the race, in the team's first attempt.
more tomorrow
-Lee
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...fantastic photos Mr. Self, and yes, I can smell the orange blossoms.
13 days, 17 hours and 25 minutes till Miami touchdown.
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... kinda mangled
Yep and the picture is a bit squished too! ;D
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Thanks Lee,
Can smell the orange groves from here.
Fax
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87/89 is my favorite era. Please can I have something from the early 90s as I can't remember what was running (Fangio Jr's Toyotas?). In those days there must have been Sebring, Daytona and the Miami Grand Prix, all in one state. Wasn't Derek Bell in Miami Vice?
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(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/MidOhio_86_2.jpg)
almost lost the second shot to the processing machine... kinda mangled
-Lee
Tidied it up for you Lee
Martini...
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If you dont show the Garrettson 934 and some old Turn 10 pics.I'm gonna,I'm gonna ,well I'm goona FART in your general direction! :o
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If you dont show the Garrettson 934 and some old Turn 10 pics.I'm gonna,I'm gonna ,well I'm goona FART in your general direction! :o
Calm down Randy, you might blow your hat off!
I bet you always wanted your pressies before your birthday.
Martini...
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Randy came to my house and farted in my genral direction.
So's here's what I got of the 934
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/111.jpg)
FACT
-Lee
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(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/686-2.jpg)
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/691-2.jpg)
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/693-3.jpg)
;D ;D
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Okay Lee & Randy, you got me convinced with those pictures. Obviously I am too late for this Sebring Race, but are there any recent pictures ('05) available to show what it is like today with fencing and camping and stuff? 8)
Btw Randy, finished the printwork on McQueen Sr. today - Pieter will bring that one definitely. Pic of print will follow tomorrow...
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Fencing? What the hell is that? Must be a French thing ;)
Sorry, not many photos of debris fencing at Sebring because there isn't any. Still allowed close enough to the cars to actually see them without binoculars. Spectating is still like it was in those pics.
Fax
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Posted this once before but its worth another look.
The 1972 Peterson-Schenken Ferrari 312PB from the pit roof. Its March!
Fax
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As Fax has said not much catch fencing here. All these are taken from speccy areas. Not media passes needed. I will take one if someone wants to give me one though !
Not Corvette behind the Aston Martin.
Sorry for picture quality, I need practise with pixels and resizing
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One for Lee and Randy
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Okay Lee & Randy, you got me convinced with those pictures. Obviously I am too late for this Sebring Race, but are there any recent pictures ('05) available to show what it is like today with fencing and camping and stuff? 8)
Btw Randy, finished the printwork on McQueen Sr. today - Pieter will bring that one definitely. Pic of print will follow tomorrow...
Paddy, it looks just like this only with newer cars.
RE: "pics of '05 cars" I'm getting there, the race isn't for 12-13 more days. plenty of time to run through the slide sheets.
Looking forward to hoisting the banner! Was Steve McQueen ever a pirate?
-Lee
Randy & I both have camping stuff loaded into our vans. (well, not all of it)
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(http://www.clubarnage.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4613.0;id=2026;image)
One for Lee and Randy
YAAAAHHHH!
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Me again. Last of the GTP's
1993 - 1st overall (from Pole) - Toyota Eagle MkIII - Wallace/Fangio
what a great car! Dan Gurney Rocks!
-Lee
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/Toyota_758.jpg)
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< < < Hey, I just noticed I'm a Jr. Member, instead of a newbie!
52 posts WOO Hoo
-Lee
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How about some old Turn10 to get us in the mood? ;D ;D
My God, Randy! Do you need old pictures to get in the mood?
I just need an entry list and a calender to get all exited. Only 110 days 'till LM... :P
Hmm, I take my words back Randy. Got the '02 - '05 LM reviews on DVD yesterday, and have to admit the visuals look very inviting indeed.
Here's another visual, printed yesterday, for Sebring Turn 10 :)
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Okay Lee & Randy, you got me convinced with those pictures. Obviously I am too late for this Sebring Race, but are there any recent pictures ('05) available to show what it is like today with fencing and camping and stuff? 8)
Paddy, have a look at all the wonderful photos I took of Sebring 2005 in my Webshots online gallery here - (including the Turn 10 wedding)
http://community.webshots.com/album/302390817JubWln
and
http://community.webshots.com/album/302429987TvgQYa
All taken from legitimate spectator areas. Hopefully I'll get more great photos this year.
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that's a 20 inch screen bytheway ::)
cheers Steve (http://dfh.vandijkonline.net/images/smiles/icon_thumbsup.gif)
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One for Lee and Randy
Nice shot Chris. This pretty well sums up how good the viewing is and how close you are to the action.
Jealous as hell now that I'm not going to be there this year :'(
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< < < Hey, I just noticed I'm a Jr. Member, instead of a newbie!
52 posts WOO Hoo
-Lee
If you keep posting photos as good as these Lee then roll on your YabGod status 8)
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Paddy, have a look at all the wonderful photos I took of Sebring 2005 in my Webshots online gallery here - (including the Turn 10 wedding)
Steve, Lee here.
Any chance you can burn me a DVD of your wedding footage and bring it over with you? With you having been in the gallery, and catching the bouquet and all...
thanks in advance, see ya soon.
-Lee
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Please can we get back to thread. Was it ever this good
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Sorry, didn't mean it to be a quiz, but who is the arrow pointing at. I can't remember.
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Sorry, didn't mean it to be a quiz, but who is the arrow pointing at. I can't remember.
You mean the bloke in the crowd?? Sorry I can't quite make his face out.
If you mean the 917, it looks like a Martini "Hippy" car to me.
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people, people... can't we all just get along?
I won't have this thread turn into a my race is better than your race debate.
Simple fact is that they are both the best race in the world. Having been to both I can say that without hesitation.
Sebring is best, and Le Mans is also best. There its settled. :)
-Lee
more pics this evening, Florida time... your night-time
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Hmm, in the name of stirring up sh*t (something I do well) I will take sides.
Having been to both, Sebring is by far the better event, especially after the way the ACO has f**ked up the circut at Le Mans.
Kindest Regards,
Fax (The Trouble Maker)
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Terms of reference Fax? I agree Sebring is a far better race to actually watch, even if it is only half as long. That much is indisputable. The LMES at Silverstone and probably all the other curcuits used in ALMS and LMES are better than Le Mans from the speccys point of view.
As to it being a better "event", I'm not so sure. Le Mans is a much bigger event in terms of spectator numbers and probably the atmosphere is more charged. The race start is more dramatic, or at least was, except now they gone and stuck the stupid effin chicanes in at Dunlop. On balance, I reckon I agree with Lee, they're both best.
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Andrew, yes probably looking at it more from a spectating viewpoint. Both have a great festive atmosphere, LM more of a international flavor. Sebring is a great celebration of the arrival of spring and a chance to party off some of the winter cobwebs. Agree somewhat about the start, I think both have an electric feel, Le Mans perhaps a bit more build-up because of the far later start time. As I mentioned on another thread however, I find the sight of the field braking to a stop at the Dunlop Chicane about the dumbest sight in all of motor racing.
Fax
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On balance, I reckon I agree with Lee, they're both best.
Well I'm glad we got that settled.
-Lee
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;D - i cant help sniggering every time i see "klein tools" - esp when i saw the driver with it written on the belt of his overalls! 8)
For my pennyworth, the biggest point against Sebring for me would be having to pass thru US Customs and Immigration - that is an experience I will NEVER repeat - not even if I was offered a ride round the circuit in the jockey seat!!!
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Here's another visual, printed yesterday, for Sebring Turn 10 :)
that's a 20 inch screen bytheway
Paddy nice poster, your DFH stickers look good by the way.
I have produced a CA Sebring banner by the way, in the style of the T shirt front but undated, which I am obviously taking to Sebring. Hope nobody minds.
By the way I have 2 x flat 20" on my desk one Mac & one PC oh and a 17" iMac at home, not bragging, just lucky.
Martini...
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How about some old Turn10 to get us in the mood? ;D ;D
My God, Randy! Do you need old pictures to get in the mood?
I just need an entry list and a calender to get all exited. Only 110 days 'till LM... :P
Hmm, I take my words back Randy. Got the '02 - '05 LM reviews on DVD yesterday, and have to admit the visuals look very inviting indeed.
Here's another visual, printed yesterday, for Sebring Turn 10 :)
How ccooooolllll is THAT ?!!!
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For today's lesson. A look at Sebring '05. Current, Trendy
-Lee
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/Saleen_05.jpg)
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/Dyson_05.jpg)
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More Sebring '05
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/Champion_05.jpg)
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(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/Vette_05.jpg)
Corvette's and Aston Martins. To be continued '06
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/Astons_05.jpg)
How ccooooolllll is THAT ?!!!
-Lee
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Thanks for the Saleen :-* - yummy
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Steve, Andy and I were chatting to some of the guys from the Saleen team (including the retired MD) at Turn 3 (???) about an hour into the race last year. They were really excited about taking the car to Le Mans and invited us to visit tghem in the paddock. Real shame they didn't make the trip in the end!
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Here's another visual, printed yesterday, for Sebring Turn 10 :)
that's a 20 inch screen bytheway
Paddy nice poster, your DFH stickers look good by the way.
I have produced a CA Sebring banner by the way, in the style of the T shirt front but undated, which I am obviously taking to Sebring. Hope nobody minds.
By the way I have 2 x flat 20" on my desk one Mac & one PC oh and a 17" iMac at home, not bragging, just lucky.
Martini...
I was referring to the size of my monitor for refrence to the size of the banner ;)
Which is 105 by 160 cms by the way, so that must be about a stone and three quarters in your measurement :-\
By the looks of all these great pics it might just be Sebring and Le Mans for me in 2007. No LMES then and I might get away with it at home :(
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Hey Paddy. how do I get my hands on a Drinking for Holland shirt?
I'll give you cash money, american for it. Can it come over with the banner?
thanks. -Lee
(http://premium1.uploadit.org/paddyNL//lammers-shirt.jpg)
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Shouldn't be a problem Lee, Pieter is bringing one for Randy already anyway. Just a matter of producing another pre-season copy, I'll work on that next week :)
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Shouldn't be a problem Lee, Pieter is bringing one for Randy already anyway. Just a matter of producing another pre-season copy, I'll work on that next week :)
YAAAAHHH! ...and thank you. -Lee
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pick your choice ;D
(http://premium1.uploadit.org/paddyNL//lammersshirt.jpg)
(http://premium1.uploadit.org/paddyNL//visitorsshirt.jpg)
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Paddy,
We should start planning soon for 2007. Seeing all these pics, I will definately join you!!
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Paddy my friend are you putting the DFH shirts up for sale?
If so I would like the bottom one in XL.
Could always trade you a shirt for an invitation for you guys to the curry evening at Donnington LMES in August.
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Like Bob could I purchase a DfH shirt if they are available please?
Bottom one XXL
I presume that it they are front and back designs shown, or are there 4 different front designs?
Sorry no currys to offer in exchange, just cash.
Cheers
Barry
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Oh dear Paddy. Look what you've started!!!
Could I have one of the bottom ones in a small please? Like Barry I can only offer cash.
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Myself and a few others can be seen in last years retro model!!!
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Should we start a who want's an original DFH shirt thread then?
We will print extra shirts of course, they will be on sale at Le Mans. But I am sure that Paddy can take orders up front, just to make sure that the size you want is available!
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Should we start a who want's an original DFH shirt thread then?
Yes please
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(http://premium1.uploadit.org/paddyNL//visitorsshirt.jpg)
Should we start a who want's an original DFH shirt thread then?
Paddy_NL, re: new thread, Yes please, Even though I started it you have completely hijacked this Sebring photos thread. ...and I would really like the one on the bottom with the :Drinking for Holland" on the back. you the man, we're not worthy, nove move along and foster your own thread...
-Lee
"If I just drive this GT Porsche for a few years I'll get to drive the new prototype"
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/photos/porsche/650/porsche_027.jpg)
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Should we start a who want's an original DFH shirt thread then?
Paddy_NL, re: new thread, Yes please [...]
Sorry Lee, didn't mean to 'steal' your topic. Our own forum is pretty famous to go off topic though, that might just be it ;)
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No harm, no foul. Now be off with you.
-Lee
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/photos/family/jerri_sbr.jpg)
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dusk... in the safety pin, real hairpin in the background.
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/photos/porsche/650/porsche_029.jpg)
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Thank god this has got back to thread, but can we have less 911s please. When I started taking an interest in motorsport, (and America was still a colony in those days), 911s were racing and goddammit they still are, and there are so many other cars that we never saw this side of the pond.
What on earth is the red and white thing next to the lady blowing bubbles.
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Good question, it could be anything out at Turn 10. Depends what junk people are throwing out the week before the race ! LOL What is it, who cares, lets take it to Sebring !
Hey Lee, if you are lucky, maybe thats not all Jerry will be blowing at Sebring ? ;)
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Lee,
Lorry's looking for something they never saw on their side...
I'm thinking one of the Dykstra Monza's?
The Vette GTP obviously but already out here...Dammit think Fax!
How about "The Claw" (Red Lobster March)
I'll leave it up to you...
Hold it!
The '94 winning Nissan 300ZX GTS...Wohooo!
That was a badass car, also the Roush Mustangs!
Fax
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Yeah we talked about the roush cars over the years,what happened.Do I have to come over again and fart in your general direction? huh huh ? Do I ? ;D ;D
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(http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1985/Sebring-1985-03-23-065.jpg)
What, like that?
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Aaaahhhh yyeeesssss!
I would have to say my favorite would be the Whistler Cougars.
Does anyone else have a favorite Roush car?
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I'm with you Randy, the 1990 red Whistler Cougars were nice, Robby Gordon and Dorsey Schroeder if memory serves me right, also liked the mid-eightes Scott Pruett, Tom Gloy Mustangs and XR4's. I remember whenever Roush needed a ringer they'd ask Klaus Ludwig to pull double duty and race both the GTP Probe and a GTO car.
Fax
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OK Lee, I'm #79! Love the thread! How about the oldest Sebring photo you have, that you took? Oh, and the oldest photo that is NOT a Porsche! (heh, heh, heh, the challenge of the quest!)
John
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How about the oldest Sebring photo you have, that you took? Oh, and that is NOT a Porsche!
John
OK John, your request first: I have two from 1978 :)
a Pantera
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/pantera_78.jpg)
and the Pole sitting BMW 320i
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/BMW320i_78.jpg)
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Very nice! What corner is the bimmer in? The original hairpin?
John
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Yeah we talked about the roush cars over the years,what happened.Do I have to come over again and fart in your general direction? huh huh ? Do I ? ;D ;D
Yes, Randy, I think you SHOULD come over again.
-Lee
Roush Mustang 1986 - Scott Pruett sitting on fender
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR86_Roush.jpg)
Roush Mustang 1987 - Lynne St. James
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR87_Roush1.jpg)
Roush Mustang GTX 1987 (to try to compete with the 935's )
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR87_Roush2.jpg)
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Very nice! What corner is the bimmer in? The original hairpin?
John
Yep. in the "real" hairpin
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Roush Cougar - Strohs - My best shots of the Whistler cars are from Daytona and therefore not valid for this thread.
-Lee
1989 - Roush Cougar - Finished 10th OA, 2nd in GTO Pete Halsmer/Bob Earl Sister car finished 1st in GTO!
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR89_Roush.jpg)
and drivers from '91 "Hi, I'm Dorsey Schroedererer" "...and I'm Price Cobb"
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR91_drivers.jpg)
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Whilst us Brits claim to be the centre of the universe for motor racing, why do these picture look so good. Why do I love Can Am/Pikes Peak. Permission granted to go off thread for a 917t or faster
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HUGE Thanks for the BMW pic Lee!
My personal God, Superswede was one of the finest drivers of the Munich flame throwers, sadly only made one Sebring start in the 312PB in '72. Usually a GP conflict with Sebring but drove them many times at Daytona and The Glen. I think he may have been busy winning the South African GP over Sebring weekend in 1978. His long time co-driver David Hobbs once told me co-driving with Ronnie could be maddening because he said he would spend lap after lap in the car in qualifying, getting down to a really fast lap, put one in thinking he'd put in the perfect lap and was really going like a bat out of hell, come in and hand the car over to Ronnie and within two laps Ronnie would go a second a lap faster! Hobbs has a big smile on when he was telling me this.
Fax
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Whilst us Brits claim to be the centre of the universe for motor racing
We do? :-\
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Your a man of taste there Lorry, Can-Am was my first love. Not going to boast BUT...I saw Mark Donohue and the Penske Porsche 917/30 race in person, never a more sublime combination of driver & car. The first two racing cars I ever saw at speed were the factory McLaren M8F's of Denny Hulme and Peter Revson, doesn't get any better than that.
The race to the clouds is special too, for years the stomping ground of the Unser family, during the eighties the WRC teams brought some Group B rockets over to claim the hardware and greats like Walter Rohrl, Michele Mouton, Ari Vatanen, etc. graced the Rockies.
Fax
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It must be something to do with the subtle use of brute force.
And remember, "if brute force doesn't work, you're not using enough."
I have some recent photos of an M8 somewhere. Can't find the black & white pictures of the 8F and the Howmet. I bought a negative scanner today, as you can never have too many photo of Brands Hatch
Strangely, "California Dreamin'" has just come up on Media Player. It was a dream in those days but reality for '07, and I'm still tempted to pull the plug next week for Sebring.
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Lee have you any of the Roush Mustang that robby Gordon drove to class honours at the Rolex 24. Not sure what year it was but it was white with the american flag down the side or on the roof, not sure which. I need some pictures for reference as i have the model to build
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Err, this one. Daytona 1993.
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Lee have you any of the Roush Mustang that robby Gordon drove to class honours at the Rolex 24. Not sure what year it was but it was Err, this one. Daytona 1993. I need some pictures for reference as i have the model to build
Chris -- I'll track down some picss for you after Sebring (unless you're working on it now)
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OK all, here's another one you Euro's only got too see race once at Le Mans, but we got to see race for three seasons.
The Clayton Cunningham Nissan 300 ZX Turbo
Sebring 1994 - 38th Overall (from 3rd) - Leitzinger/Gentalozz. It lists Millen and O'Connell on the door as
well but they were shown on both cars. They never drove the #76, it was out after 121 laps (roughly 4 hrs)
the sister #75 won overall with Millen/O'Connell/Morton.
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR94_Nissan1.jpg)
and a look at her guts...
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR94_Nissan2.jpg)
-Lee, the lesson continues...
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who needs motor racing books, just look here! ;D
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Lee,
Haven't consulted the books or the web today but refresh my memory, did the GTO Audi's race at Sebring or just the sprint events? Saw Hurley & Stuckie have a hell of a battle at Mid-Ohio in 1990 with the Jean Sage entered JP Jabouille-Olivier Grouillard driven Ferrari F40.
I know the Ferrari never made a Sebring appearance (or did it?) but the Audi's not sure about.
Fax
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Did these ever run at Sebring?
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Yeesh! Things getting all blurred together after all these years, the Audi 90 GTO cars raced in 1989, the F40 in '90
The Ferrari lost to the Millen Nissan, not the wacky Bavarian....Have another beer Fax!
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Nope Lorry,
I think the Lancia's only contested the World Championship Group C rounds and Sebring was a IMSA sanctioned event. I don't think the Lancia's were even eligible under IMSA regs. Would have been nice though.
Fax
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Lee have you any of the Roush Mustang that robby Gordon drove to class honours at the Rolex 24. Not sure what year it was but it was Err, this one. Daytona 1993. I need some pictures for reference as i have the model to build
Chris -- I'll track down some picss for you after Sebring (unless you're working on it now)
Post Sebring is fine, its just another one in my cupboard waiting to be built, but so far, that picture is all I have on the car. Thanks.
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Lee,
Haven't consulted the books or the web today but refresh my memory, did the GTO Audi's race at Sebring or just the sprint events? Saw Hurley & Stuckie have a hell of a battle at Mid-Ohio in 1990 with the Jean Sage entered JP Jabouille-Olivier Grouillard driven Ferrari F40.
I know the Ferrari never made a Sebring appearance (or did it?) but the Audi's not sure about.
Fax
AUDI GTO's and Ferreri F-40 never ran at Daytona or Sebring. just later season sprints. I say the F-40 go at it with the 300-ZX at Mid-Ohio. Only time I ever saw the ferrari run. I saw the Audi GTO at Road America.
-Lee, on-site historian
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Did these ever run at Sebring?
The Lancia's never did Sebring, but they did run in the 24 Hrs of Daytona Twice.
I don't think it was that model, I think the Beta was more squared off...
1980: Finished 10th overall, 597 laps - Lancia Beta Montecarlo Turb Jolly Club
Carlo Facetti / Martino Finotto / Gianfranco Ricci
1981 Finished 18th Overall, 545 laps - Lancia Beta Montecarlo Turb Martini Racing
Riccardo Patrese / Hans Heyer / Henri Pescarolo
results from here:
http://www.classicscars.com/wspr/results/imsa/nf_imsa_home.html (http://www.classicscars.com/wspr/results/imsa/nf_imsa_home.html)
-Lee
small google search later:
(http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1980/Daytona-1980-02-03-004.jpg)
Above: 1980 Below: 1981
(http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1981/Daytona-1981-02-01-003.jpg)
image from here:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Daytona-1980-02-03-photo.html
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Daytona-1981-02-01-photo.html
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I know the Martini & Rossi livery is popular with most race fans.How about different cars over the years that have carried these colors?
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(http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1981/Daytona-1981-02-01-003.jpg)
Isn't an open window very uneffective as for aerodynamics in a racing car? ::) ???
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Isn't an open window very uneffective as for aerodynamics in a racing car? ::) ???
Basically yes. It must knock a fair chunk off the top speed. I've never understood why Nascar cars just have the net. OK front engined (or radiatored) cars will get very hot, but there must be a more aerodynamic way of doing it.
From legend, when the D type Jaguars had the perspex wrap around windscreens, some of the drivers didn't like looking through the perspex, so on one car they cut off the top two inches, so they could see over it. The aerodynamicist complained that it would take two and a half mph off the top speed. It was nearer three.
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Randy,
Off the top of my head, the Martini colors have been carried on World Championship for Makes 917's & 908's in the early seventies by what was originally known as Salzburg Racing, later on the factory Porsche 911, 935 & 936 Group 5 & 6 cars of the mid-late seventies. Team Lotus carried the Martini stripes for one season in F1 in 1979. And the brief Techno F1 program carried it in 1972 & '73. Lancia's Group 5,6,C and WRC cars all carried Martini sponsorship through the eighties.
Fax
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Almost forgot the Brabham-Alfa F1 cars of 1976-77.
Fax
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And from a different branch of the family tree...
(http://www.lanciamontecarlo.net/images/main037-logo.jpg)
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And from a different branch of the family tree...
SWEEETTTT 8)
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Whenever I think of Group B, I think of Markku Alen in the 037 on the 1000 Lakes...Whaaaa!
Fax
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This was one of my favourites of the day. I followed the whole four/five days of the RAC rally when this made it's debut. It being our home event, really I was rooting for the Pond/Authur Metro 6R4 and that of a certain M Wilson, but was mightily impressed by the new Lancia.
(http://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/images/lancia_delta_s4_rac.jpg)
With a few pals, I was a regular sector marshall during the eighties on some of the top Rallies (AudiSport, RAC etc) and a few of the drivers of the day got to vaguely recognise us. Another time I'll tell you all what Stig B said to us after we had picked ourselves out of a muddy Welsh ditch...
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...and back on topic.... sheesh what a rabble ;D
driver shots maybe?
-Lee
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/johnny.jpg)
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8 days to go... ;D
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How about some chick shots instead? ;D
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Go to the Girls, Girls, Girls thread which had some very nice shots until Smokie edited them....
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Lets see how long these last. Mid-Ohio Superbike weekend this year.
Fax
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Here's a PG-13 version
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR03_babe.jpg)
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An early attempt at the Cadillac prototype:
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR95_Caddy.jpg)
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(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR95_momo.jpg)
Sebring '95 :: MOMO Ferrari (above) and Kremer Spyder (below) fresh of its Daytona 24 Hr win!
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR95_Spyder.jpg)
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SMACK!
Sebring '96. Southerland hit the concrete base at the walkover bridge heading
down into the hairpin, snapped the Gearbox and rear suspension right off the Courage.
The driver stood up, walked over to the Aarmco, climbed over, looked back at the car
and dropped like a sack of potatoes.
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR96_Courage.jpg)
:'(
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One more (for now)
Everybodys favorite Driver / Race Promoter / Sanctioning Body Owner / Team Owner
and manipulator of the pace car from inside his car during yellow flag periods...
and oh yeah, 1996 Race winner
Lady's and Gentlemen I give you ANDY EVANS! yeah :o
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR96_Evans.jpg)
-Lee, 9 pages!
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F&%$ing $10.00 cooler fee.If I ever meet that arsehole Iwill demand my $10.00 back.
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The Tony George of sportscar racing...Nuff said!
Fax
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SMACK!
Sebring '96. Southerland hit the concrete base at the walkover bridge heading
down into the hairpin, snapped the Gearbox and rear suspension right off the Courage.
The driver stood up, walked over to the Aarmco, climbed over, looked back at the car
and dropped like a sack of potatoes.
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR96_Courage.jpg)
:'(
No wonder - look at the state of that tyre - no tread at all. Should have gone to kwik-fit...
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Found this on the RSC website. This was a very unhappy end to Peter Gregg's 1978 Sbring 12 Hours...Ouch!
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1978/Sebring-1978-03-18-059.jpg
Fax
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It's not "Sebring" I know, but that photo of yours fax reminds of a couple of Porsches I've found up trees at LM. One would have been around 7 years or so ago when I dropped in at Mulsanne corner for a spot of nightime spectating and found a 911 up a tree behind the catch fencing. I don't know how he got there, and the marshalls were scratching their heads as how to get him down. I assume he was ok, but never did find out.
The second time I found a porsche up a tree was again in the middle of the night, this time on one of the little country lanes that get close to the Mulsanne kink. It was pre chicane days, and a few people usually tried to park nearby and walk through the woods to the armco (I think there's a hotel there now). This time it was a little more grisly, - some fool in a black 911 had been playing chicken with another Porsche on the narrow lane, the black one took a glancing blow and got airborne before it landed in the crows nest. There wasn't a lot that could be done for him...
H
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Which brings us to Sebring '98...
these two shots are from the fall race that year, it's only happened twice that I can remember.
This race was the Panoz's only overall win with the coupe!
-Lee
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR98_Dyson.jpg)
Weaver in the Dyson Riley & Scott MkIII above and The Panoz below.
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR98_Panoz.jpg)
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...and what was the first race of our current era,
1999 and the birth of the ALMS
loved this car!
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR99_BMW.jpg)
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Vette's weren't always Yellow (and they didn't used to win either)
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR99_Vette.jpg)
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Audi, first go round...
-Lee :)
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/SBR99_Audi.jpg)
5 more days...
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loved this car!
...that BMW 12 cylinder had a great sound also, got a recording of it accellerating out of Tet Rouge, priceless.
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I loved that Panoz with the get ready to Rumble statement!!!
Whooo 1000 Posts!!!!!!
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get ready to Rumble
"Let's Get Ready To Rumble" .wav
http://www.planetfortress.com/anticheat/cool/Sounds/Download/misc/startup.wav
-Lee, I am sooooooooo ready....
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After the win that year JJ stopped the BMW right in front of our camp.Revved that V12 up to the rev limiter and then did HUGE burnout for us.It was glorious. 8) 8) 8) How coooollll is that ?
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Everybody loves Turn 10 Randy!!!!!!!!
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Everybody loves Turn 10 Randy!!!!!!!!
And it makes me ssooo hap hap haaapppyyyyy !!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Keep 'em coming Lee.
Good to see a picture of a Panoz coupe. My claim to fame is that I jump started one of them. Did anyone have a camera, did they have any stickers/spare body parts.
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(http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1959/Sebring-1959-03-21-055.jpg)
Driven by: Fred Hayes (CDN)/John Christy (USA)/John Colgate (USA)
Result: 38th (47 laps behind the winner)
Because I'm biased
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I know what you mean Gary.
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Photos posted for Randy. Take it away Randy...
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/Randy/SBR_Fire.jpg)
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(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/CA/CA_fullmember.gif)
POST 100! a proud moment. :)
I'm a full member now.
-Lee
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Cool Bus
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/Randy/Cool_Bus.jpg)
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Labamba 1
(http://www.selfstudio.com/images/sebring/Randy/Labamba1.jpg)
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From 2004...problem was, not enough electrical power...
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From 2004...problem was, not enough electrical power...
I remember that very fondly. Especially the part where the attractive girl innocently asks: Do you need a jump ::)
took her about 2 seconds to realize what she had said :o
Canada Phil
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And now...
Where not to park during a race....(from 2005)
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Are you getting in the mood then Smokie?? Problem for me is I AM GETTING IN THE MOOD BUT THEN I AM NOT GOING!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Watch it on Motors TV or whatever channel will carry the race for you.
Listen online with Hindy and Radio Web, you couldn't do any better.
You'll be with us in spirit all week.!
-Lee
Beers will be quaffed in your honor.
did you see that I'm a full member know. :)
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Is it on Motors? Ahh no I'll be at Brands so I can't even watch it. Will have to attempt to DVD it if it's on.
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It's on Motors TV
Live
Saturday 18th - 18:30 to 23:30
Sunday 19th - 00:30 to 04:00
Highlights
Monday 20th - 20:00 to 23:00
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(http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1959/Sebring-1959-03-21-055.jpg)
Driven by: Fred Hayes (CDN)/John Christy (USA)/John Colgate (USA)
Result: 38th (47 laps behind the winner)
Because I'm biased
Hi Gary,
To you: just a driver of a Sprite, to others just a name on an entry list. A founding fatjer of Mosport one of the greta tracks of the world.
As early as 1958 the British Empire Motor Club (BEMC) formed a development committee to investigate the possibility of selecting and buying a piece of property for a road racing course. By mid summer of that year the founding committee, whose members consisted of Dick Byatt, George Hill, Chuck Stockey, Fred Hayes and Ray Liddle, had found a 450-acre tract north of Bowmanville. Recognizing the enormity of the project, the committee members realized that one club (BEMC) could not undertake the entire task and so a separate entity, called "Mosport Limited" was born in the fall of 1958. The name Mosport (a contraction of Motor Sport) was coined and applied to the new business enterprise.
Canada Phil
